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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:21 AM Jul 2013

The Biggest Lie You've Been Told About the Oppression Of Muslim Women

Over the weekend, prolific writer Joyce Carol Oates joined the fray of those who characterize Islam as inherently evil or misogynist with a series of rapidly criticized tweets indicting Islam for the rape of women in Egypt. Yet again, Islam is essentialized, demonized, and stereotyped as a violent and misogynistic faith, one from which Muslim women need to be saved. But no matter the rhetoric within which it shrouds itself, make no mistake: this is Islamophobia, a form of racism, and it does nothing to solve the problems of violence against women and patriarchal domination in general, because Islam is not the cause.


http://www.policymic.com/articles/53783/the-biggest-lie-you-ve-been-told-about-the-oppression-of-muslim-women

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The Biggest Lie You've Been Told About the Oppression Of Muslim Women (Original Post) ellenrr Jul 2013 OP
If Islam is not the cause in the Oppression Of Muslim Women William769 Jul 2013 #1
Rapists and misogynists... Nitram Jul 2013 #2
From what I understand, the oppression of women wasn't part of Islam at first at all. Neoma Jul 2013 #3
Apparently I misunderstood the question (wouldn't be the first time. William769 Jul 2013 #6
I think the West has been whipped up into a frenzy libodem Jul 2013 #5
those people would oppress women if they were christian or atheist JI7 Jul 2013 #9
Yeah it's all a big lie pipoman Jul 2013 #4
Post hoc ergo prompter hoc? LanternWaste Nov 2015 #14
laudator temporis acti? pipoman Nov 2015 #15
I do not think that means what you wishes it did. LanternWaste Feb 2016 #16
No, it means exactly what I know it means...I can come up with something else...let's see pipoman Feb 2016 #17
Again, use of rational thought rather than cowering behind petulant implication is requested. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #19
Why do you repeat yourself in every post? pipoman Aug 2016 #20
Tahir Square rapes prove that the problem encompasses more than just religious nuts. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #7
Can women now drive in Saudi Arabia? CanonRay Jul 2013 #8
maybe not in saudi arabia, but they do in other countries including the united states JI7 Jul 2013 #10
Marte Deborah Dalelv, Alleged Norwegian Rape Victim, Sentenced To 16 Months Jail In Dubai CanonRay Jul 2013 #11
For the life of me... clarice Feb 2014 #12
It would be an interesting experiment Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #13
rational Catieee Apr 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #21

Nitram

(24,611 posts)
2. Rapists and misogynists...
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:52 AM
Jul 2013

...exist in every society. They are not more prevalent in Islamic cultures. If a Catholic priest rapes a young boy, does that mean Christianity is the cause? If an atheist rapes someone, is his atheism the cause?

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
3. From what I understand, the oppression of women wasn't part of Islam at first at all.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:53 AM
Jul 2013

It happened in a, "I'm so rich, I can afford to keep my wife indoors all day." way, and after awhile, poor men followed suit to make themselves look better.

William769

(55,828 posts)
6. Apparently I misunderstood the question (wouldn't be the first time.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:03 AM
Jul 2013

So I will just bow out of the conversation gracefully.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
5. I think the West has been whipped up into a frenzy
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:55 AM
Jul 2013

Trying to get the head scarves off of those poor women.

JI7

(90,532 posts)
9. those people would oppress women if they were christian or atheist
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:35 AM
Jul 2013

people do bad things and they will use things like religion as a reason/excuse to do it.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
4. Yeah it's all a big lie
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:54 AM
Jul 2013

that women in countries with Islamic rule are not equal they actually enjoy equal freedom and rights as the men in those societies, eh?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. I do not think that means what you wishes it did.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

I do not think that means what you wishes it did. Try again, and this time, with rational thought...

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
17. No, it means exactly what I know it means...I can come up with something else...let's see
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

Hmmm...oh...'people with no calender, dredging up 3 year old, long forgotten threads have no life....'...same could be said for 4 month old threads....

I know some hereabouts are just challenged...par for the course and all that....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. Again, use of rational thought rather than cowering behind petulant implication is requested.
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 05:02 PM
Aug 2016

Again, use of rational thought rather than cowering behind petulant implication is requested, regardless of what you may allege to know meaning of, or the irrelevancy of calendar dates...

Par for the course, indeed.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
20. Why do you repeat yourself in every post?
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 05:35 PM
Aug 2016

Repeating oneself and dredging up year old posts could be symptoms of a larger problem....

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
7. Tahir Square rapes prove that the problem encompasses more than just religious nuts.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:07 AM
Jul 2013

Search for "Tahir Groping" ... It's certainly not confined to jihadist nuts. It's more about sexual repression in a society - in which Islam arguably plays a role (which shouldn't be unfamiliar to us, thinking of the past).

CanonRay

(14,864 posts)
8. Can women now drive in Saudi Arabia?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:11 AM
Jul 2013

Fill me in on when that happened? Can they appear in public alone? Missed that one too.

JI7

(90,532 posts)
10. maybe not in saudi arabia, but they do in other countries including the united states
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:37 AM
Jul 2013

if it was part of islam for women to not appear alone or not drive wouldn't that apply regardless of where they lived ?

CanonRay

(14,864 posts)
11. Marte Deborah Dalelv, Alleged Norwegian Rape Victim, Sentenced To 16 Months Jail In Dubai
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 08:49 AM
Jul 2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/marte-deborah-dalelv-sentenced-norwegian-rape-dubai_n_3624867.html


Yeah, real enlightened religion. Not that fundamentalist Christianity is much better.
 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
12. For the life of me...
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:29 PM
Feb 2014

I cannot understand the "down playing" of the horrible abuse many women
are subjected to in Middle Eastern countries. Is it because they have different
skin color? I hope not. If the women in Ireland where subjected to this...all
hell would break loose. Something is very fishy about all of this.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
13. It would be an interesting experiment
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:21 AM
Sep 2014

to ask some Muslim women who maintain Islam is not oppressive to them, how they would feel about defending the rights of Western women to drive, to wear a bikini in public, to breast feed in public, etc.. the way Western women interested in women's rights defend their rights to choose an Islamic code of behavior.

Do they think Western women should be compelled by law or religion to be more modest? One may not feel oppressed but still be capable of oppressing others themselves.

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