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Mosby

(17,469 posts)
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:18 PM Aug 2016

Iran Payment Wasn’t Ransom, but it Was Ransom

Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that an American plane carrying 400 million dollars in cash landed in Iran at the precise time the Iranian government released four American hostages.

Critics claim the 400 million was a ransom payment. The White House and State Department deny it emphatically.

They’re right. The 400 million wasn’t a ransom payment, but it was a ransom payment.

The United States sort of owes Iran money. In 1979, the previous government of Iran’s Shah Reza Pahlavi paid 400 million dollars for weapons. The US never shipped the purchased weapons because Ayatollah Khomeini overthrew the Shah’s government and took 52 Americans hostage.

We could have given the money back, but the new Iranian government declared war on us and kidnapped our diplomats, so we didn’t. The Obama administration says we’re just paying Iran back, but the Iranians insist otherwise.

“Taking this much money back was in return for the release of the American spies,” Iranian General Mohammad Reza Naghdi, commander of the Basij militia, said on Iran’s state-run television.

Only the willfully ignorant would claim the American government never lies about anything. Still, Washington is more honest and reliable than Tehran. And State Department spokesman John Kirby insists this is nonsense.

“The negotiations over the settlement of an outstanding claim…were completely separate from the discussions about returning our American citizens home,” he said. “Not only were the two negotiations separate, they were conducted by different teams on each side, including, in the case of The Hague claims, by technical experts involved in these negotiations for many years.”

That’s probably true as far as it goes. If the US owes Iran money, paying it back isn’t the same as paying a ransom because ransom money is extorted rather than owed. Fine.

But that’s not the whole story.

“American victims of Iranian terrorism won judgments against the Islamic Republic in U.S. courts,” Lee Smith writes in the Weekly Standard, “and the Clinton administration, as a Newsweek article reported in January, promised that the settlements would be paid out of the $400 million. But the Clinton White House never reimbursed the Treasury Department, nor did the Bush administration. The $400 million that Obama aides say belongs to Iran should have long ago been distributed to Iran's American victims and their families. Instead, it was U.S. taxpayers who compensated the victims of Iranian terror. And then we paid $400 million a second time, in January, to the Iranians themselves. The $1.3 billion of interest that the United States is supposed to have owed the Iranians is simply a fiction the Obama administration contrived to sweeten the pot, since the United States was under no legal obligation to pay Iran money that was no longer Iran's.”

But let’s put that aside for the sake of discussion. It’s not the whole story either. Assuming the United States legitimately owed Iran this 400 million, what’s up with releasing four American hostages at the very same moment the money arrived?

Did Iran’s ruler just up and decide to release these people because he had a guilty conscience?

Why did the Iranian government snatch these four in the first place? These people had no connection to each other. They were arrested—kidnapped—at different times and in different places. They were all charged with crimes.

Yet they were all released at the same time on the same day and went home on the same plane.

Why?

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/iran-payment-wasn%E2%80%99t-ransom-it-was-ransom?

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Iran Payment Wasn’t Ransom, but it Was Ransom (Original Post) Mosby Aug 2016 OP
IF we can use the kidnapper's money to pay all ransoms, I say pay ransoms as needed. MADem Aug 2016 #1
It was definitely coordinated Mosby Aug 2016 #2
That doesn't bother me at all--it still was not, and is not, a "ransom." MADem Aug 2016 #3
The President's favorability rating is too high for summerschild Aug 2016 #4

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. IF we can use the kidnapper's money to pay all ransoms, I say pay ransoms as needed.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:25 PM
Aug 2016

This is a right wing meme. The use of the word "ransom" is absurd in this context.

A quid pro quo is not a ransom--and that's what this was, an exchange.

We don't "sort of" owe Iran money. We TOOK their money in exchange for weapons, and then we didn't deliver the weapons. We owed them either the weapons, or their money back.


A ransom is when one party gets fucked over in exchange for the lives of others. Someone enjoys a "net loss" when a ransom is extracted.

In this case, both parties had something "owed" to them. The timing of the payback was, simply, coordinated.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. That doesn't bother me at all--it still was not, and is not, a "ransom."
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 07:19 PM
Aug 2016

Like I said, if we can get what we want simply by paying our bills, we get the better end of the bargain.

We have owed that debt since 1979.

summerschild

(725 posts)
4. The President's favorability rating is too high for
Fri Aug 19, 2016, 11:52 AM
Aug 2016

the Republicans.

It is not complex. It was not "ransom". It is merely a way to cloud the Democrats to win the election.

Watch for more of everything they can play against Obama and Clinton.

Chris Mathews is full of shit.

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