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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:04 PM Mar 2012

Inside that new anti-Occupy bill

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/07/the_inside_scoop_on_hr_347/singleton/


A protester is arrested at the White House in January, 2011. (Credit: AP/Kevin Lamarque)

In recent days, there has been a considerable amount of online speculation over a bill that made its way through the House and the Senate last week with little opposition — HR 347, or the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011. Some have decried it as specifically anti-Occupy legislation with the aim to further curtail First Amendment rights. HR 347 makes it a prosecutable offense to knowingly, and without lawful authority, enter “(1) the White House or its grounds or the Vice President’s official residence or its grounds, (2) a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting, or (3) a building or grounds so restricted due to a special event of national significance.”

This would, of course, include the areas restricted in Chicago for the NATO summit and Camp David for the G-8. However, concerns focusing solely on the passing of HR 347 seem to be a red herring of sorts, as most of its content has long been enshrined into law.

The new bill specifically addresses certain trespassing violations in D.C., which currently do not fall under the remit of federal law (i.e., HR 347 now makes it a federal issue if you trespass onto White House grounds). The only other significant change in the bill is a shift in language, which will make it easier to prosecute those who are found to unlawfully have entered these restricted areas. The law used to say that the person must have entered the area “knowingly” and “willfully.” HR 347, however, scrapped the “willfully,” which essentially now renders it a crime to remain in a restricted area, even if you do not know that it’s illegal for you to be there.

“By striking out ‘willfully’ they make it easier to prosecute under ‘knowingly,’” explained Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, executive director of the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund. She noted with some exasperation that the campaigns focusing energies against HR 347 miss the bigger, ongoing fight for basic free speech and threats to it, as this specific law is only an amendment to laws that were primarily established in 2006. For Verheyden-Hilliard, HR 347 is best understood as the government “looking at the tools in their arsenal and polishing them up” in time for major, protest-drawing summits and political conventions this year.
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Inside that new anti-Occupy bill (Original Post) xchrom Mar 2012 OP
the Bush 2 agenda now under new management nt msongs Mar 2012 #1
The policies of the man who promised us "Hope" truedelphi Mar 2012 #2
welcome to unionworks Mar 2012 #3
I don't know if maybe it increases the personal risk of going out to protest. limpyhobbler Mar 2012 #4
Post this in GD for the Occupy skeptics to see. Leopolds Ghost Mar 2012 #5
I'm pretty sure unionworks Mar 2012 #6
A big "Hell yeah!!!" @ unionworks U4ikLefty Mar 2012 #19
Add in the legislation in Georgia to criminalize civil disobedience starroute Mar 2012 #7
But Wait - there's More!!! unionworks Mar 2012 #8
I'm guessing some of us missed school that all important day the teacher truedelphi Mar 2012 #18
Oh NOES!!! unionworks Mar 2012 #9
one of the all time great movies and one of the all time great moments in movie history. nt xchrom Mar 2012 #11
Yup unionworks Mar 2012 #12
indeed. nt xchrom Mar 2012 #13
Going to the Canidates Debate... unionworks Mar 2012 #10
Most of all you've got to hide it from the kids. Zorra Mar 2012 #14
you beat me to it :-) n/t unionworks Mar 2012 #15
EVERY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT YOU LOSE! Leopolds Ghost Mar 2012 #16
joltin' Joe has left unionworks Mar 2012 #17

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
4. I don't know if maybe it increases the personal risk of going out to protest.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 01:55 AM
Mar 2012

I actually don't know what the heck is up with this law.

But I think it deserves to be questioned.




Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
5. Post this in GD for the Occupy skeptics to see.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:11 PM
Mar 2012

Joshcryer, an Occupy supporter (??) has been criticizing anyone bringing up this bill as naive, saying that it actually makes it more difficult to prosecute. This Salon article contradicts that.

I also find it interesting that people believe that if it has been on the law books since the Reagan era, then it must be a sound law.

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
6. I'm pretty sure
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:05 AM
Mar 2012

This is the same law that was used at the 2008 repub convention to kettle protesters into dog pens called "free speech zones" far away from the convention where they couldd be neither seen or heard. Those who defied the law were arrested, abused, and most likely got felony convictions.
The bastards were just dusting off the law in preparation for Occupy spring. Planners ignore this at their peril.
I went off on those defending this facist piece of shit law in another forum badly. The 99% are being crushed, and I have no time or apology for those who cheerlead for more of our civil liberties being taken away.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
7. Add in the legislation in Georgia to criminalize civil disobedience
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:57 AM
Mar 2012

People who practice civil disobedience have been arrested for things like blocking traffic or failure to disperse -- but this is the first case I know of a state attempting to define civil disobedience as a crime in itself.

http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/interspire/news/2012/03/08/georgia-legislature-crossover-day-an-overview.html

SB 469, a bill to make civil disobedience an aggravated misdemeanor, passed the State Senate on March 07, in a vote of 30 to 20.

SB 469 makes civil disobedience punishable up to one year in jail, a ten thousand dollar fine for organizations that support such actions, and a one thousand dollar fine for individuals who participate. . . .

"If an organization is picketing against a company that is discriminating and I join the picket line, are you going to have the courts collect the fines and then turn around and give that money back to the person that did the discrimination, do you think that is fair?" Sen. Seay asked.

"Yes, I absolutely believe what's in this bill is fair," Sen. Belfour replied.

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
8. But Wait - there's More!!!
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:26 PM
Mar 2012

"Rights of protestersPolitical advocates outside of the major parties have complained that both the Democratic and Republican conventions have violated their First Amendment rights to demonstrate, protest and advocate their ideas.[3] Both conventions have restricted protesters to demonstrating in "free speech zones" of fenced-in areas, sometimes surrounded by barbed wire, and not accessible to the delegates. Civil rights lawyers have complained that police indiscriminately arrest demonstrators and charge them with crimes even though they are not breaking the law. In New York 2004, police arrested people and testified under oath that the arrestees had been committing violent acts. Videotapes by bystanders and the New York City police themselves later contradicted that testimony, and showed that at least some arrestees had not been violent.[4] The City has settled lawsuits for false arrest. In 2008, St. Paul required the RNC to buy liability insurance to cover the police for legal fees and judgments arising from legal complaints by protesters.[5]"

- Wiki

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
18. I'm guessing some of us missed school that all important day the teacher
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 08:37 PM
Mar 2012

Covered the Article One of the Constitution - The right to free speech as long as the human being speaking is in a concentration camp!



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