2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBBC: there is more compromising material on Trump, several sex tapes + audio - multiple sources.
https://twitter.com/hdevreij/status/819252439832547330
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619372/-BBC-Multiple-sources-say-Russians-blackmailing-Trump-with-sex-tapes
flamingdem
(39,936 posts)Fact check but don't wait too long.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)So has Trump ever actually stayed in those cities? Has he ever stayed in the same room where Obama stayed? I mean is there actually any chance this could be true?
factfinder_77
(841 posts)In the 1980s, Trump was often seen on news shows offering his services to negotiate with the Soviets. "Why dont you negotiate the SALT talks for Reagan, Donald? a man on the street once yelled at Trump, according to a 1990 profile of Donald and Ivana Trump in Vanity Fair. In 1987, Trump traveled to Moscow and Leningrad to discuss building hotels there. He even met with the Soviet ambassador to the U.S.
"It's a totally interesting place, Trump said at the time. I think the Soviet Union is really making an effort to cooperate in the sense of dealing openly with other nations and in opening up the country."
In a 1997 New Yorker profile, Trump talked about his trips to Russia to explore having the Trump Organization take part in skyscraper and hotel development projects in Moscow, including the reconstruction of the Moskva and Rossiya Hotels.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Of course, they won't be aired on TV, but if they're released and appear on the Internet, the media will start talking openly about them and the implications of blackmail.
But if all we ever hear are rumors that Trump will continue to deny, we're nowhere.
LisaL
(46,668 posts)So who do you expect is going to release the alleged tapes?
If these tapes exist, there is no motive right now for Russia to release them.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)But not even his alleged reality TV show tapes have been released, so I'm not all that hopeful tapes controlled by Putin will be released.
If nothing else, an intelligence agency official could release some solid information.
Dustlawyer
(10,518 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,995 posts)also thought to make copies and secured them away from any government control... just in case.
kcr
(15,522 posts)it won't be till after he's sworn in, or we would have seen it by now.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Entities are speaking to each other. We just don't have the decoder ring.
True Dough
(20,596 posts)But seriously, where's Anonymous? I realize that group is a splintered and fractured bunch of "hactivists," but I wish they could make a breakthrough on this (as well as Drumpf's taxes).
GeoWilliam750
(2,540 posts)Part of America will believe that the tapes exist; part of America will believe it is a lie. If America turns upon itself, and is divided against itself, Putin has won.
Thus, whether the tapes actually exist or not, is completely irrelevant. It would be hardly strange for rumours of many more tapes to come out, as well as questionable past relations with many things Russian. There is every incentive to keep the pot boiling without actually releasing any evidence.
To simply sow doubt, distrust, and hatred between Americans would seen a major win for Russia.
sheshe2
(87,857 posts)FYI this should be in GD not postmortem.
Thanks
Skittles
(159,908 posts)or risk being compared to Tom Arnold
C Moon
(12,593 posts)Skittles
(159,908 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)The clock is ticking and the 20th will be here too soon!
elmac
(4,642 posts)and sell them as pay per view on various cable networks.
miyazaki
(2,382 posts)lame54
(37,033 posts)Knowing about them is not enough
Loge23
(3,922 posts)There no way that some enterprising scoundrel will pass on the opportunity to bring down the POTUS.
..and if trump continues to escalate his tiff with the IC, that possibility will become much more realistic.
Spies trade secrets like kids used to trade baseball cards.
Can't look too far ahead, but then we'll have our hands full with Ayatollah Pence.
Qutzupalotl
(15,159 posts)They are too important to Putin, who would lose leverage if they "leak." Just having the story in the media lowers their value to him.
You can bet the tapes are in the FSB under lock and key. Only agents would have access, and none will be willing to risk their life to piss off Putin.
NewJeffCT
(56,840 posts)embarrass him enough to be blackmail-able? "Grab 'em by the pussy" only hurt him temporarily and did not cause him to drop out of the race.
I think some speculation would be in order.
Trump in diapers? Trump beating/abusing a woman? Trump being beaten by a dominatrix?
Brother Buzz
(37,955 posts)Think about it.
Amaryllis
(9,819 posts)would be a different story.
NewJeffCT
(56,840 posts)as some European & Israeli intelligence agencies say, it could be worse than that... underage girls and/or a girl or woman that was sent to his hotel room that had been through a child trafficking ring could be big. ("she didn't look 12"
If he beat women, it could be big as well.
Thrill
(19,306 posts)Trump doesn't give a damn now
oasis
(51,735 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)If people make these allegations and don't put forth the tapes, then we got nothing. I agree with the above, why wasn't this made transparent before the election?
Richard D
(9,402 posts). . . his evil twin.
MFM008
(20,008 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But as long as they are useful to the Russians, then they will remain that way.
The "you want nice Russian girl" thing was a staple of KGB and Russian Mafia hi-jinks going all the way back the Cold War. Any American business person with minimal briefing would know this.
Putin was head of the KGB, for crying out loud. What he has done by merging the Russian criminal element and its interests into what is essentially Russian national interest, and bringing the Russian Orthodox Church along for the ride has put him right up there with Peter the Great.
He directly drew that connection between himself and Peter the Great in the Sochi Olympics opening ceremony.
They have got Donald and his whole crew just where they want them.
Chris Christie was too ethical for this bunch. Just think on that one for a minute.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I thought about that for exactly one minute and my mind drew the sort of weird blank one gets after pondering a Zen koan.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,036 posts)Excluding Christie from the Rape & Pillage Party's major coup is about vengance in that arena.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Hell, at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Trump swings both ways and there is video of it. Ha! Wouldn't that be something!
kimbutgar
(23,458 posts)It would make the evangelicals heads explode!
meow2u3
(24,931 posts)Repukes' heads would really explode!!
LiberalFighter
(53,503 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,036 posts)a crass, intemperate, racist, misogynistic, lying, cheating, thieving bully and his supporters are still there for him. What will it matter if multiple recordings prove him to be more of the same?
renegade000
(2,301 posts)the tapes would likely confirm that he has small hands... which for a narcissist like him...well
Cha
(305,685 posts)MaeScott
(902 posts)Johnny2X2X
(21,834 posts)I have little doubt there is evidence of absolutely disgusting behavior from Trump. He is all about dominating and degrading others, his appetites surely reflect this. And he's probably physically harmed young women, maybe even killed one for kicks. We are dealing with evil.
kimbutgar
(23,458 posts)And the most despicable cheering on the contents of the tapes.
Grammy23
(5,909 posts)and since the election his approval numbers have sunk. So that means even some of his boot lickers are starting to get the drift that their man is not what they thought he was. Of course, he will have some of his faithful followers who believe until he is run out of DC, but once the tide turns he is toast. And there is not much he can do to restore his followers after the Russians or whomever has the tapes puts them out publicly. The emperor really will be naked before the world. Now somebody get me some bleach for my eyes....
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)factfinder_77
(841 posts)http://www.businessinsider.com/timeline-russia-trump-sex-blackmail-golden-shower-dossier-2017-1?r=US&IR=T&IR=T
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2590466/donald-trump-starred-in-bizarre-music-video-at-hotel-mentioned-in-leaked-dossier-during-2013-moscow-trip-as-experts-claim-his-room-would-have-been-bugged/
Lucky Luciano
(11,456 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)triron
(22,240 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)I'm tired of getting all of these reports. Until they are released, they mean nothing.
And - if they wait until after Friday, releasing anything from any credible source (like CIA or any other govt agency) will be next to impossible once Trump is sworn in.
A lot of talk and speculation does nothing, means nothing. Put up or shut up about it already because it does nothing but draw attention away from the real horrors of Trump and his mob family.