2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis is why I've had it with some "so called liberals, moderates, etc".
"A guy and 2 Clinton Voters. A tale of 3 people inhabiting the same universe (somehow)."
So, tonight I'm bidding farewell to a coworker at a local bar as the conversation turns. Clearly my coworker's wife is uncomfortable that the conversation has turned political. Apparently the fact that both her and her wife (both white) did their duty and voted for H. Clinton. My bringing up the uncomfortable topic of the upcoming neo-fascist regime is just a bridge too far. Because I cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the NC voter restrictions struck down by a federal judge were not 100% bigoted as written on paper. Just as other states using the infamous Interstate Cross Check vs. Obama winning 2 terms. I must be making shit up and being unfair to Drumpf voters. Then, even my "once upon a time crying over Clinton's concession speech coworker" chimes in with "Shhh you're not letting anyone speak!!!" Regardless of how many times I stop talking to let them "school me on the liberal media" and the fact that in the last 30 yrs republicans have offered some good ideas, such as tax cuts. I'm the rude one. Yes, it sounds simplistic but I assure you that was the gist of it. Outnumbered and with dates, names, facts, figures and the historical precedent of both the Jr. and Reagan administrations. I'm just being goddamn impolite. I sit there in disbelief as any fact is struck down with the "Evil Chuckley Santa" Mike Pence type chuckle, because I live in some sort of bubble. My brown working class ass has lived everywhere from San Juan, PR, to the rural south east in OH (where I stuck out like a sore thumb). I also still work with white union guys and defend their right to organize and demand a better living from the corporate asshats some of them somehow support. Just as much as I've hung out with working class "minorities" who just couldn't "vote for that bitch"this year. But you see. Those of us who've pledged to oppose and never appease the extremes of the upcoming fascists. Are "living proof of the bubble that we all live in".
Regardless how this came across. This isn't "woe is me" or some such nonsense. I'm perfectly capable of voicing my point of view. Nor have I ever been shy about it. This is about how people who are supposedly on our side. Will turn on you the minute you challenge their comfortable beliefs. No matter the gravity of the situation.
Yes we've thrown a bunch of shit at each other right here, as Clinton or Sanders supporters over the last few moths. But the real problem as I see it. Is the so called liberals and "independents"' who are lining up to normalize and legitimize this rancid sack of shit who will be our chief executive in just a matter of days. It's kind of sad that over the years I went from "the crazy conspiracy guy who broad brushed those poor misunderstood republicans as ignorant bigots". To the "crazy loud mouthed guy who lives in some sort of liberal bubble". Either way, it doesn't matter. From what I could tell. These ladies didn't want to hear that, even though their relatives (parents , grandparents) might not be bigots themselves. Bigotry wasn't a disqualifier when it came down to their votes.
When the real shit comes down. They feel they'll be immune to it and the rest of us will have to "deal". Make no mistake. What has transpired in our country the last few months is not normal. Nor will it be normal, as many times a s we try to convince ourselves.
On edit: Apologies for the various edits and relative incoherence. I don't drink as much as I used to. So I'll need to do some proof reading as the next day approaches and sobriety kicks in.
JHan
(10,173 posts)And you know, after all the bullshit , this can't be denied
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)It's very interesting, and enlightening.
onecaliberal
(35,719 posts)It is still so unbelievable that anyone would think that such an individual is qualified to be POTUS. That's not even bringing into account the abject stupidity of the guy.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,748 posts)the fuck am I?". Did I fall asleep in some other era and just woke up?
onecaliberal
(35,719 posts)What they've done to the country cannot be overlooked. I can't turn my head and pretend any of this shit is normal.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)matter the severity of the situation is what I have found
brer cat
(26,177 posts)K&R
zipplewrath
(16,690 posts)Didn't I just hear that race relations are better now than they were 8 years ago?
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)It's not an either or thing.
Wounded Bear
(60,625 posts)"There you go again." Since then, conserves of all stripes have gotten away with belittling and denying and being dismissive to anything even vaguely progressive.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,748 posts)"What the hell does that have to do with anything. That was like along time ago...."
Maru Kitteh
(29,053 posts)Just an FYI. It helps many people read if you break it up a little.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,748 posts)ones are too too bad. The drinking didn't help either.
Maru Kitteh
(29,053 posts)A recent round of torture at the dentist may land me there yet tonight.
My face feels like it was hit by a truck full of rusty razor blades.
oasis
(51,649 posts)don't worry about flakey Dems.
agincourt
(1,996 posts)I deal with people whom even understand that the US needs revolutionary change, NOT getting it that Trump and GOP congress are much worse than the normal capitalist politics. It's this, "I'm smarter than you and I have it figured out mentality", similar to what conservatives have only it's coming from a progressive. Of course a lot of Dems are Repub-lite but dammit there is a difference between getting hit with a quarter and getting hit with a sledgehammer. If these people would only look at the damn bills that these GOP congresses push and the judges they appoint. But nooooo, it's I'm so smart and I know they're all the same. Facepalm. repeat.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not calling them stupid. You just seem to bring more to the table in this area.
Thanks for sharing. Thanks for fighting.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I battle this by keeping a smile on my face and never getting angry- but having the facts and credible links at hand and not giving in to others confusion and anger but always seeking to clarify and circle back to what's important. And if they're still angry I ask them WTF is wrong with them that they can't control their anger! LOL