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To be fair and just: We need a do over of the presidential election. eom. (Original Post) In_The_Wind Jan 2017 OP
NO, we need to disqualify Trump, and give the Presidency to Hillary since she won by 3Million votes putitinD Jan 2017 #1
there is no legal recourse to do anything now Takket Jan 2017 #2
would you be specific in this explanation, with references? thanks. AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #8
work it out MFM008 Jan 2017 #9
One should be able to back up their assertion. Simple request for clarification. nt AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #10
Read the US Constitution. longship Jan 2017 #12
See post #12 Takket Jan 2017 #14
Only a few ways to remove a president zipplewrath Jan 2017 #24
Trump is not President yet. He can be charged and disqualified right now. The Supremes, ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #30
On what grounds? zipplewrath Jan 2017 #31
Indictment (foreign entanglements, emoluments, foreign agent). Or lack of fitness (mental health... Hekate Jan 2017 #32
Where in the Constitution zipplewrath Jan 2017 #35
There really is no mechanism for that. TDale313 Jan 2017 #3
I am aware of that but this will go down in history as The Stolen Election. In_The_Wind Jan 2017 #4
No we're stuck watching kairos12 Jan 2017 #22
I hope to live long enough to see the end of this travesty. In_The_Wind Jan 2017 #23
Well, there is a mechanism, every four years. EL34x4 Jan 2017 #13
There's a mechanism to change the House every 2 years, plus 1/3 of the Senate. Dems are notorious... Hekate Jan 2017 #33
Not my president...never my president. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2017 #5
Hear, hear. In_The_Wind Jan 2017 #6
Too bad the dems haven't been following that advice for the past 35 years. CrispyQ Jan 2017 #36
It was neither free nor fair - that should nullify it. U.S. elections are to be free & fair. nt AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #7
I agree with you. In_The_Wind Jan 2017 #15
Who has the authority? zipplewrath Jan 2017 #25
the sad part is... sheshe2 Jan 2017 #11
It's true, Trump may kill us poor old folks if he takes away our medical care. In_The_Wind Jan 2017 #17
I went on SS last month. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #18
Amen to that! Aristus Jan 2017 #16
The 65 million that voted for Hillary should be demanding it. libtodeath Jan 2017 #19
I don't care how many weeks it takes to set up a new election. Keep Obama in office until it's done. In_The_Wind Jan 2017 #20
No, they don't zipplewrath Jan 2017 #26
Most of the 62 million who voted Trump would oppose it Amishman Jan 2017 #29
Wouldn't that be great jzodda Jan 2017 #21
To have been fair and just, we should have secured our election process long ago. Orsino Jan 2017 #27
Our own DUer, Andy Stepheson, tried to warn us. In_The_Wind Jan 2017 #28
We need back-in-time machine! LeftInTX Jan 2017 #34

Takket

(22,515 posts)
2. there is no legal recourse to do anything now
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 11:44 PM
Jan 2017

The Founding Fathers and hence the Constitution never could have forseen something like this, but now that it has happened, our lawmakers need to get to work on making sure this never happens again.

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts)
24. Only a few ways to remove a president
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 08:18 AM
Jan 2017

There is no way, at this point, to prevent him from taking office. After he takes office, the constitutional ways to remove him are few and all require the support, the MAJORITY support of his party and/or his cabinet. And in ANY of the cases, there is no mechanism for any new election. There is a long line of succession and NONE of it results in Hillary or ANY democrat being president.

ElementaryPenguin

(7,846 posts)
30. Trump is not President yet. He can be charged and disqualified right now. The Supremes,
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 10:57 AM
Jan 2017

The Justice Department - this can be blocked if the Supreme Court says so. A. Kennedy is probably not a big fan of Putin or Trump.

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts)
31. On what grounds?
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jan 2017

I'm curious what grounds the SC would use to "block" the inauguration of a president. I'm speaking specifically of the text in the constitution that allows them to do this.

Hekate

(94,626 posts)
32. Indictment (foreign entanglements, emoluments, foreign agent). Or lack of fitness (mental health...
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 04:54 PM
Jan 2017

....deranged behavior, necessity of an exam at Walter Reed). Necessity to examine all these things and delay the swearing-in, so neither Trump nor Pence would be president until it was concluded.

Hubby and I ended up talking about this at like 3am to 4am this morning, sitting up in bed in the dark. He is convinced that SCOTUS could take this on IF (and only if) someone with standing brings a case to them. They cannot act unless someone brings them something. Their precedent for interfering in a presidential election is that they already did that once. Granted, the circumstances were different, but they DID step in.

I wonder if anyone at all in DC is working on this. I wonder if anyone at all has the balls to proceed.

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts)
35. Where in the Constitution
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 05:08 PM
Jan 2017

There is no mechanism for preventing an inauguration after the EC has voted and the congress has accepted. The SC has no authority to do that. He can take the oath of office from jail if necessary. The SC has no authority to address competency, only the cabinet can do that, and only AFTER he has taken the oath of office. Only congress can act at this point and it would be extraordinary if they did, and even they can't stop him from taking the oath.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
13. Well, there is a mechanism, every four years.
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 05:21 AM
Jan 2017

Of course, this would also entail a do-over of the primaries which some may be less than enthusiastic about.

Hekate

(94,626 posts)
33. There's a mechanism to change the House every 2 years, plus 1/3 of the Senate. Dems are notorious...
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 04:59 PM
Jan 2017

....for not showing up in the midterms, while the GOPee always puts some red meat on the ballot to bring their people to the polls.

So go to it, Democrats. 2018 is practically around the corner. What are our red meat issues that we should be putting on the ballot so our lazy voters will show up?

CrispyQ

(38,244 posts)
36. Too bad the dems haven't been following that advice for the past 35 years.
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 05:29 PM
Jan 2017

Maybe we wouldn't be in this mess if they hadn't always played nice.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
17. It's true, Trump may kill us poor old folks if he takes away our medical care.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 03:16 PM
Jan 2017

Paying into Social Security since I was 14 is starting to look more and more like a Madoff Ponzie scheme.

sheshe2

(87,469 posts)
18. I went on SS last month.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 03:31 PM
Jan 2017

Have used ACA since July. I can't apply for Medicare until later this year. Yup, they just want us to die.

libtodeath

(2,892 posts)
19. The 65 million that voted for Hillary should be demanding it.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 03:36 PM
Jan 2017

I dont give a fuck about "mechanisms" the vast majority would support it.

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts)
26. No, they don't
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 09:50 AM
Jan 2017

A majority of people that voted for Hillary wouldn't support such a thing. I can guarantee that a majority of the population does not.

Amishman

(5,810 posts)
29. Most of the 62 million who voted Trump would oppose it
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 10:33 AM
Jan 2017

Invalidating the election (no matter what the reasoning) would cause a civil war

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
21. Wouldn't that be great
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 06:51 PM
Jan 2017

Unfortunately the electors are done and congress has certified the results. There is no stopping this train any longer.

If you think the Republicans in Congress are goin to turn on Trump, at least in the short time, it's just not going to happen.

Once he becomes President we on the left Wil be in the most powerless position in my entire life. Both at the federal, state and soon to be Supreme Court.

We must build from the ground up.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
27. To have been fair and just, we should have secured our election process long ago.
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jan 2017

Black-box voting, black-box campaign financing and black-box MSM complicity did us in.

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