Russia says it was in touch with Trump's campaign during election

[LaydeeBug]

But in comments that could prove politically awkward for the president-elect, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said there had indeed been some communications.

"There were contacts," Interfax cited Ryabkov as saying. "We are doing this and have been doing this during the election campaign."

Such contacts would continue, he added, saying the Russian government knew and had been in touch with many of Trump's closest allies. He did not name names.

"Obviously, we know most of the people from his (Trump's)entourage. Those people have always been in the limelight in the United States and have occupied high-ranking positions," he said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-says-touch-trump-campaign-during-election-143147718.html?.tsrc=daily_mail

[pangaia]

1. those people have 'occupied high ranking positions.' WTF!

Like ball-buster?

Knee-capper?

Blackmailer?

[triron]

2. Yes I saw this way back when it first came out.

MSM pretty much ignored the it then. I think, given what we know now, it is much more significant than it appeared back then. One only needs to connect the dots to think it highly likely Trump campaign aware of hacking from before the election. Rudy Giuliani almost hinted so to Fox news when he said they had some things up their sleeves. Intel must know a lot more. Question is why haven't they moved on Trump in much stronger ways?

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3. knr

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4. kick again

[Stuart G]

5. k and r.

[Gothmog]

6. This is treason

[LaydeeBug]

9. It is *INDEED* treason, and I was called every name for saying it was

I don't know where they are now though.

[triron]

11. Well perhaps sedition is more appropriate.

Due to legal precedents it is not likely treason from what I understand.
Although it fits the constitutional definition this action did not occur with an enemy during a declared war. But I agree with you that Trump has committed a grievous crime.
I am bewildered with the response of democrats in general, the Obama administration and the Clinton campaign (though it would look foolish if it were only her campaign).

[LaydeeBug]

53. aid and comfort to the enemy. If Bill Clinton's blojob was an example of high crimes and

misdemeanors...THIS certainly rises to treason

[triron]

54. above "aid .. to the enemy" is correct.

Very hard to get conviction without declaration of war.
So I suggested sedition or possibly violation of Logan Act.

[LaydeeBug]

55. Russia declared war on us...CYBER war is still an act of war. nt

[Thrill]

7. UNREAL. IF this was a Dem. The media and Republicans would be out for blood

[50 Shades Of Blue]

8. Yup. There's no such thing as "politically awkward" for a Repug.

They're in charge, so who's going to call them on their shit?

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10. K&R

[Stuart G]

12. TREASON IS WHAT IT IS...!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ElementaryPenguin]

13. Infuriating the way the mainstream media rarely mentions this element of the story!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/11/10/russian-officials-were-in-contact-with-trump-during-campaign.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

[LaydeeBug]

14. Of *course* not. That would make them accountable. nt

[Cha]

15. The Siberian Candiate

[LaydeeBug]

16. Yep. Soviet Donald. How much money does he owe them? nt

[Cha]

17. Follow the fucking money.. if we only could. Tax Retuns, Pervert?!

[LaydeeBug]

18. Oh don't even get me STARTED on that 13 year old...nt

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19. And during this time Putin was orchestrating the hacking.

But a campaign of such high ethical standards surely would not collaborate
with the Russians on this even though they were in communication with them.
They wouldn't think about it! Tongue in cheek.

[LaydeeBug]

20. Well Soviet Donald said he wasn't incontact with Putin...

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21. kick for visibility

[LaydeeBug]

50. kick

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22. kick again

[LaydeeBug]

23. Never be afraid to speak truth to power. What are the odds of this happening?

The media will not help us. The truth is of no consequence to them

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24. knr

[spanone]

25. K&R...

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26. kick again

[oasis]

27. "Obviously" says Deputy Foreign Minister. Access to "Agent Orange"

should be the subject of congressional investigations.

[LaydeeBug]

28. I hope they appoint a special prosecutor in the next few days, before it's too late. nt

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30. Benedict Donald would just fire the prosecutor.

He would use "Democra(t) politics" as the reason.

[Exilednight]

29. Okay, we're all in agreement that the intelligence agencies within the US

have concluded that Russia hacked DNC servers and put out emails.

I believe those intelligence agencies when they say this.

I also believe the intelligence agencies, DOJ, President Obama and anyone with actual knowledge of voting machines when they say that you have to be in the presence of a voting machine to hack it and that there is absolutely no evidence any such machines were hacked.

Anyone who currently believes this either has greater knowledge that US intelligence agencies or is a complete nutjob looking for the shooter on the grassy knoll but only when taking a break from being probed by aliens or swept up by black helicopters.

[LaydeeBug]

31. Mmmmm Hmmmmm. Or the ones who believe the magic bullet theory

Because they were in touch each and every day. Russia and Trump's camp.

Because those machines CAN ABSOLUTELY BE HACKED. And it's not like we've gotten to examine them, so nice try on that one. No dice though

Because you want me to believe that they hacked away, AND THEN THEY STOPPED THERE?

Good Grief.

[Exilednight]

32. So, you want me to believe you, some anonymous person

on the internet peddling conspiracy theory bullshit with absolutely zero evidence, but not actual public figures that belong to my party and actually have to deal with the consequences and their public reputations if there is even a hint of this being true?

I know who I believe.

But keep trying, buddy. You might feel more at home at one of those birther or truthers websites.

I also love the way you peddle half truths by saying "those machines CAN ABSOLUTELY BE HACKED" and you are only half right, they can only be hacked if you are in the presence of the machine. If you're saying they can be remotely hacked, then provide proof from a first hand expert of the machines in question, because every first hand expert when asked has put their name out there and said it is impossible to do it remotely.

[LaydeeBug]

33. So you want me to believe you, some anonymous person

on the internet arguing with that YOU are defining a conspiracy theorist...



edited to add: that YOU are the one telling the half truth...Who says they weren't in the presence of the machine? YOU? How does remote access to a voting machine even need to be necessary?

Cash needed to be present...and this has been going on for a long time.

Sorry you thought that was a hoop to jump through...

[Exilednight]

34. Now you want me to believe that Russians sent thousands of people over to hack the machines

in person.

Show me the proof from credible firsthand sources, if not then you're the gift of ignorance that keeps on giving.

[LaydeeBug]

35. Who said *anything* about THOUSANDS?

Why would you even think that?

[Exilednight]

37. To turn the election you would have to send thousands to hack thousands of machines.

In Bucks County PA there is 304 polling locations with a total of around 1500 voting machines.

You would need thousands of people to hack the machines in question across three states in order to turn the election.

[LaydeeBug]

38. Nope. Not even, and you know it

304 voting places, with more than one machine...you only need one or two in key spots, and it doesn't even have to be Bucks County.

But you keep conflating...

[Exilednight]

39. Statements like that prove you know nothing of the country you live in.

PA is not that segregated until you get to the city. The suburbs of PA are more integrated than the suburbs of Chicago, NYC or LA.

But you keep conflating .... with your lack of proof.

[LaydeeBug]

49. Statements like that prove you know nothing of the country YOU live in

PA is "not that segregated until you get into the city. The suburbs of PA...insert FALSE COMPARISON and the PROJECT, PROJECT, PROJECT, PROJECT.



But thanks for the kick.

[LaydeeBug]

36. Show me the proof from credible firsthand sources that THOUSANDS would be needed

if not then YOU'RE the gift of ignorance that keeps on giving.

[Exilednight]

40. Okay. Here you go.

So any manipulations would have to be one machine at a time, which Dr. Shamos estimates would take 15 minutes per machine, with 4,500 machines.

“To do it for all the machines in the county would take four months,” said Dr. Shamos.

It would also have to be done undetected in a warehouse that is under surveillance 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/11/07/election-day-pennsylvania-voting-machines/

So, it would take one person four months to hack 4500 machines to switch the votes after the fact in just one county. By the time one person was done, it would be February, and that's if they're working 24 hours a day 7 days a week. 80% of PA counties use these machines, all in the most heavily populated areas.

[LaydeeBug]

41. except that...

With a few cursory clicks of a mouse, Appel parted with $82 and became the owner of an ungainly metallic giant called the Sequoia AVC Advantage, one of the oldest and vulnerable, electronic voting machines in the United States (among other places it’s deployed in Louisiana, New Jersey, Virginia and Pennsylvania). No sooner did a team of bewildered deliverymen roll the 250-pound device into a conference room near Appel’s cramped, third-floor office than the professor set to work. He summoned a graduate student named Alex Halderman, who could pick the machine’s lock in seven seconds.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144

[Exilednight]

42. Except the chips aren't stored with the machines. Nice try,

If you bothered reading the article the chips are removed upon arrival and stored in another location. Can't hack something that isn't there.

[LaydeeBug]

43. unless it's already been hacked.

You make a LOT of assuming...like every machine in every area in the entire county would have to be hacked. That isn't so.

You're welcome.

[Exilednight]

44. Did you even read the article?

[LaydeeBug]

45. Yep

[LaydeeBug]

46. also:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3114784/security/voting-machines-are-still-too-easy-to-hack.html

[Exilednight]

47. Do you have any credible sources?

[LaydeeBug]

48. Yes. Do you?

[Blanks]

51. Lock Him Up. eom

[LaydeeBug]

52. rule of law. rule of law.

[Blanks]

58. That'll work too.

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56. kick for visibility

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57. knr

[LaydeeBug]

59. kick.

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60. Figured this out long ago myself