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AnotherMother4Peace

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Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:09 PM Jan 2017

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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 OP
Those "helpful" Democrats BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #1
We have a lot in common. onecaliberal Jan 2017 #2
Not good things to have in common - no children should be subject to these things. AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #4
Yeah the media is going along with it because few will admit their complicity, the "far left" bettyellen Jan 2017 #3
It's really not a very good analogy. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #5
THIS n/t Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #6
Is that how this corrupted election is being dismissed? As "malign outside influences"? A BIG factor AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #7
Why should the Democrats not review their campaign strategies The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #13
"The election should not have been close enough to steal" - Those darn Dems - sarcasm AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #16
It shouldn't have been. But it was. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #18
You're brushing off "malign outside influences - Comey, Putin, gerrymandering, voter suppression"... brush Jan 2017 #10
Maybe if the HRC campaign had done some things differently The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #15
"We're supposed to review what we did wrong in order to not be beaten again?" EL34x4 Jan 2017 #8
Tell me - how do you protect yourself from illegalities & collusion in the election process? AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #12
that is a ridiculous comparison. bowens43 Jan 2017 #9
This post is offensive mythology Jan 2017 #11
+1 EL34x4 Jan 2017 #14
Wow. Offensive analogy. vi5 Jan 2017 #17
Exactly! The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #19
This looks like it will be a thread for snark & I have to leave for the day and won't AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #20

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
1. Those "helpful" Democrats
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:19 PM
Jan 2017

are neither helpful nor are they truly Democrats, IMO.

onecaliberal

(35,719 posts)
2. We have a lot in common.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:19 PM
Jan 2017

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,701 posts)
4. Not good things to have in common - no children should be subject to these things.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jan 2017

But we have DU in common, and speaking out - which are good things.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
3. Yeah the media is going along with it because few will admit their complicity, the "far left"
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:22 PM
Jan 2017

Because they want to burn it all down rather than compromise a thing. I used to think I was far left but apparently I am too pragmatic to abide their nonsense.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,644 posts)
5. It's really not a very good analogy.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:34 PM
Jan 2017

A political campaign is mainly marketing: If you don't market your "product" effectively, people won't "buy." Without question there were malign outside influences - Comey, Putin, gerrymandering, voter suppression - but it's impossible to conclude that the Clinton campaign made no mistakes at all because every campaign makes mistakes. The question is whether and to what extent those mistakes, combined with the external forces, affected the outcome. Some have said that it was a mistake not to have paid more (or different) attention to Wisconsin and Michigan. I don't know whether that's true, but wouldn't it be better to examine every single aspect of the campaign, both internal and external, to determine how it all fit together, and to admit at least the possibility that mistakes were made so as to avoid repeating them? There should be no sacred cows. Everything has to be looked at.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,379 posts)
6. THIS n/t
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:43 PM
Jan 2017

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,701 posts)
7. Is that how this corrupted election is being dismissed? As "malign outside influences"? A BIG factor
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jan 2017

No one is concluding "that the Clinton campaign made no mistakes at all". No one said that at all. And as to the analogy not being good - My flashbacks are very similar to how I feel every time I hear someone say that the Democrats need to review what they did wrong - I think of my poor Mom. Sure I don't disagree that self evaluation is good for the Democratic party - but bottom line is the election was STOLEN by Putin/Trump. They are the wrong doers and we need full transparency.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,644 posts)
13. Why should the Democrats not review their campaign strategies
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:05 PM
Jan 2017

and tactics? The election should not have been close enough to steal; maybe if some things had been done differently the tampering by Putin et al. would not have worked. I am absolutely in favor of full transparency. I absolutely agree that we need to get to the bottom of it. We need to look at all of it.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,701 posts)
16. "The election should not have been close enough to steal" - Those darn Dems - sarcasm
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:10 PM
Jan 2017

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,644 posts)
18. It shouldn't have been. But it was.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:14 PM
Jan 2017

Trump was the worst, most odious, nastiest, most unqualified candidate ever to win the nomination of a major party. He defeated one of the most qualified candidates. Why? I don't think it's enough to just sit back and say it was all the result of Putin's hacking. What I am saying is that all possible influences have to be looked at.

brush

(57,394 posts)
10. You're brushing off "malign outside influences - Comey, Putin, gerrymandering, voter suppression"...
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:00 PM
Jan 2017

as minor details.

They were major and stole the election for trump.

And as for campaign mistakes, what campaign hasn't made mistakes?

Bernie's neglect of southern primaries ranks right up there as being huge, his Rome trip was a debacle at a critical time, his failure to gracefully bow out after he had no chance was another (and it hurt Hillary, btw).

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,644 posts)
15. Maybe if the HRC campaign had done some things differently
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:09 PM
Jan 2017

the election wouldn't have been close enough for Putin to steal. I don't know. But HRC should have won that election in a landslide; it shouldn't have even been close. I'd like to know why it was. All of the reasons.

And you just couldn't resist another dig at Bernie, could you?

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
8. "We're supposed to review what we did wrong in order to not be beaten again?"
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jan 2017

Um, yeah. That's how it works.

Eventually, there's going to be another election. We might want to win it.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,701 posts)
12. Tell me - how do you protect yourself from illegalities & collusion in the election process?
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:01 PM
Jan 2017

Was that our fault? No one is saying that we shouldn't review the campaign. You just happen to be able to cut and paste and misuse my words.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
9. that is a ridiculous comparison.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jan 2017

yes it is the Democrats fault , this should have been an easy win.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
11. This post is offensive
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:00 PM
Jan 2017

Domestic violence and elections have nothing in common. Elections are things we freely participate in to determine how our country will be governed. Domestic violence is abuse nobody freely participates in.

As a kid who grew up being abused by my dad, this post disgusts me.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
14. +1
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:09 PM
Jan 2017
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
17. Wow. Offensive analogy.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:12 PM
Jan 2017

Democrats didn't 'get beat'. They lost. They made strategic decisions that caused them to lose the election.

There were many outside influences. There are always outside influences. Nobody controls anything 100%. But there was plenty within their control that they absolutely screwed up, which caused them to lose the electoral college which whether we like it or not is currently how we choose the president of the country.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,644 posts)
19. Exactly!
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:15 PM
Jan 2017

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,701 posts)
20. This looks like it will be a thread for snark & I have to leave for the day and won't
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 01:16 PM
Jan 2017

be able to reply so I'm self deleting.

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