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still_one

(96,523 posts)
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:40 PM Dec 2016

There have been several versions of the story regarding the UN vote on settlements

and the media has been more than willing to accommodate the various versions. I suspect the media is being manipulated to spread disinformation along with bits and pieces of facts interspersed between. The majority of these stores always referenced "unnamed officials".

"Trump May Have Thwarted Obama’s Final Move On The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict With One Phone Call

"WASHINGTON ― A Thursday phone call between President-elect Donald Trump and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi may have undermined the Obama administration’s final effort to speak out against Israeli settlement building in the occupied Palestinian territories.

After months of negotiations, the United Nations Security Council was scheduled to vote at 3 p.m. Thursday on a resolution sponsored by Egypt to condemn Israeli settlements. The U.S., which typically blocks resolutions that are critical of Israel, had vetoed a similar measure in 2011.

But following years of growing frustration with Israeli settlement expansion, the U.S. was expected to abstain from the vote this time, which would have likely allowed the measure to pass. After the vote, Secretary of State John Kerry was prepared to deliver remarks about the Middle East peace process, State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a briefing on Thursday."

But none of that happened.

On Thursday morning, Trump slammed the draft resolution as “extremely unfair to all Israelis” and urged the U.S. to veto it. Hours later, Egypt postponed the vote indefinitely.

Initial media reports cited anonymous Western diplomats blaming pressure from the Israelis for Egypt’s sudden reversal. By Thursday evening, however, Reuters had confirmed from a Trump transition official that Trump and Sisi spoke by phone about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. CNN reported that the Israeli government privately asked Trump to intervene on their behalf.

From the start, the idea that Egypt would have reversed itself because of pressure from the Israelis didn’t pass muster among those who closely follow Middle East politics."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-israeli-settlements-egypt_us_585c6f00e4b0eb586485eabc

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There have been several versions of the story regarding the UN vote on settlements (Original Post) still_one Dec 2016 OP
Seems pretty clear that Trump derailed the whole thing geek tragedy Dec 2016 #1
No doubt about that, but the CNN report about Isreal asking trump to persuade President Obama still_one Dec 2016 #2
Intent was to bypass Obama, not persuade him. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #4
Why, in fact, did Egypt request a delay when it was Egypt no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #3
Because Trump told them to nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #5
That is question. It sure wasn't because Israel asked them too. My suspicions are that it was more still_one Dec 2016 #6
Kick... SidDithers Dec 2016 #7
That is exactly what happened still_one Dec 2016 #8
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. Seems pretty clear that Trump derailed the whole thing
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:57 PM
Dec 2016

and that he did so because Israel asked him to.

Bibi clearly has zero fucks to give about what Obama thinks.

still_one

(96,523 posts)
2. No doubt about that, but the CNN report about Isreal asking trump to persuade President Obama
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:10 PM
Dec 2016

that's bullshit. Trump doesn't have any influence on President Obama, and Israel knows that. Also, a lot of unnamed officials in a lot of these stories, which always suggests intentional misdirection.

The report in one of the stories that Egypt requested a delay of the vote because Israel asked them too, is more bullshit. Israel doesn't have that kind of influence on Egypt.



no_hypocrisy

(48,781 posts)
3. Why, in fact, did Egypt request a delay when it was Egypt
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:15 PM
Dec 2016

that brought the controversy to the UN for a resolution?

still_one

(96,523 posts)
6. That is question. It sure wasn't because Israel asked them too. My suspicions are that it was more
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:35 PM
Dec 2016

likely a threat from trump that he would withhold all funding if they didn't ask for the delay

We have an interesting combination of strange deplorable bedfellows that make up the trump clan. white supremacists, anit-semites, anti-Muslims, sexists, racists, Corporatists, those who want to remove all regulation and privitize everything. It is quite a group.

The world will be very fortunate if it is able to avoid a major war within the next four years

We are so screwed

SidDithers

(44,266 posts)
7. Kick...
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:21 PM
Dec 2016

The vote happened today. A few of the smaller UN Security Coucil states, NZ and Venezuela I think, reintroduced the resolution, and it passed 14/0, with the US abstaining.

Someone else can find the link. I'm on my phone.

Sid

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