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sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:14 PM Dec 2016

Hillary Clinton is immensely popular -- as long as she isn't seeking a seat at the Boy's Table



Take a look at the graph to the right. It charts Hillary Clinton’s approval rating by time period. There’s some pretty interesting discrepancies there. There’s nearly a perfect correlation over a 20 year time period between her approval ratings in office, and while seeking an office. She’s immensely popular IN office, and decidedly less popular when seeking a new office. In fact, her approval ratings in office are some of the highest in history. For anything. Quartz wrote about this earlier this year.


It’s hard to remember these days, but just a few years ago, everybody loved Hillary Rodham Clinton. When she stepped down as US secretary of state in January 2013 after four years in office, her approval rating stood at what the Wall Street Journal described as an “eye-popping” 69%. That made her not only the most popular politician in the country, but the second-most popular secretary of state since 1948.

-Sady Doyle, Quartz, February 25, 2016

qz.com/...

This is a fairly well documented phenomenon for women in politics and business. America likes them when they aren’t asking for a seat at the next Boy’s Table. But once they finally get to the table and get to work, they suddenly become popular again. Amazing.

When chatter first started about Hillary Clinton seeking our party’s nomination back in 2014, she was one of the most popular politicians in America.


http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/20/1613112/-Hillary-Clinton-is-immensely-popular-as-long-as-she-isn-t-seeking-a-seat-at-the-Boy-s-Table

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How dare we presume a place at the boys table. Why are those little boys so frightened of a strong woman? I suggest they seek therapy.
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Hillary Clinton is immensely popular -- as long as she isn't seeking a seat at the Boy's Table (Original Post) sheshe2 Dec 2016 OP
Except... vi5 Dec 2016 #1
Sorry, I cannot agree. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #2
Oh, got it... vi5 Dec 2016 #3
No. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #4
Hmmmm....convincing, well thought out retort. vi5 Dec 2016 #5
Do you have an issue with me? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #7
the OP is a highly respected poster here, but do keep trying, dear heart, we need all the laughs niyad Dec 2016 #30
hugs sheshe2 Dec 2016 #41
always!! niyad Dec 2016 #43
Women! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #44
agreed. I just tell them, though, that I regret the necessity of saving their ignorant asses niyad Dec 2016 #45
Righteous! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #47
I doubt if the women who voted for Trump care if you like or respect them or not. n/t totodeinhere Dec 2016 #48
possibly not, but it never hurts to point out the consequences of actions. niyad Dec 2016 #49
Your point? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #50
I realize now that my comment came off as snarky. But that was not my intention. totodeinhere Dec 2016 #64
Thanks, toto. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #67
The only one equating the obvious misogyny displayed against Clinton with "the left" is you. baldguy Dec 2016 #62
not to get off the post, but i watch HGTV. there's DesertFlower Dec 2016 #8
Ha! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #10
I've seen that show & I doubt if the comments had anything to do with her being a woman mtnsnake Dec 2016 #18
i like the show. read up on them -- they really DesertFlower Dec 2016 #24
and yet, even on this board, the denial of misogyny is almost deafening. niyad Dec 2016 #31
Didn't some people on DU who now support her call her every name in the book when she.... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #38
they think we all have short memories. niyad Dec 2016 #39
I wasn't here then. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #68
Her biggest flaw was being part of a political dynasty in the post G.W. Bush era. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #71
Unfortunately drmeow Dec 2016 #54
Even if you make that comparison... vi5 Dec 2016 #61
K&R mcar Dec 2016 #6
Hey mcar. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #9
we do, indeed, she. we do indeed. niyad Dec 2016 #32
Ha! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #34
Here... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #57
praised AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #11
Misogyny played a large part in this election. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #12
Can anyone imagine a female Bernie Sanders stepping into a presidential race and insisting that she EffieBlack Dec 2016 #17
Holy shit. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #21
Female Bernie Sanders? progressoid Dec 2016 #27
Nice try - but by taking away all of Bernie's attributes, you changed the premise of my questions EffieBlack Dec 2016 #33
Don't forget that fantasy paper he wrote. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #42
You will never... tonedevil Dec 2016 #53
Correct. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #56
Well if you're going to cherry pick attributes, progressoid Dec 2016 #59
Just imagine! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #63
Hi Blue. So good to see you as well. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #20
So sorry to hear that! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #65
Thank you blue... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #69
the denials of misogyny were, and continue to be, practically ear-splitting. niyad Dec 2016 #26
That is absolutely true! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #66
hi, blue, and how are you tonight? niyad Dec 2016 #78
Well, I wasn't online BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #96
thank you. doing okay--wishing we didn't have to go back to the streets, but. . . niyad Dec 2016 #98
Same here, but ... BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #99
It really hasn't changed, has it bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #13
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #14
You know how it's different? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #15
Some are, yallerdawg. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #22
many are, indeed defending the pig (although, personally, I think that is insulting our porcine ones niyad Dec 2016 #35
It's the Princess Leia Syndrome. johnp3907 Dec 2016 #16
you nearly owed me a keyboard. niyad Dec 2016 #36
Sorry. johnp3907 Dec 2016 #37
no need for apologies--I thought it was priceless. just glad I wasn't drinking anything. niyad Dec 2016 #40
Spot fucking on. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #19
Yup. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #23
k and r for this excellent piece. niyad Dec 2016 #25
remember this guardian article: Why do successful women like Hillary Clinton get under so many peop niyad Dec 2016 #28
very good read! treestar Dec 2016 #73
We had "our own" repeating "flawed candidate"over bettyellen Dec 2016 #29
What is with those people in glass houses? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #46
and this: niyad Dec 2016 #51
Ha great thread.... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #52
Republicans and the conservative media started the Benghazi and private email attacks... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #55
K&R!!! Great post. Sheshe! lunamagica Dec 2016 #58
Thanks luna! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #70
Is sexism still a huge issue that hinders female candidates for all elected offices? Absolutely. Kentonio Dec 2016 #60
nobody said sexism is the only reason. but it certainly IS a reason, and one that many people niyad Dec 2016 #82
I absolutely agree. Kentonio Dec 2016 #86
but it was pretty damned evident and accurate in many cases. niyad Dec 2016 #88
The same applies to male politicians. More popular when not running. Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #72
I don't think gender had a thing to do with it. Vinca Dec 2016 #74
BS--and a typical response of those who refuse to acknowledge sexism and misogyny. we niyad Dec 2016 #80
I'm laughing, having been a groundbreaking first woman patrol officer on a police department. Vinca Dec 2016 #87
She. Lost. LS_Editor Dec 2016 #75
SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY NEARLY THREE MILLION. get a clue. niyad Dec 2016 #79
She. Lost. LS_Editor Dec 2016 #83
that is reality. look it up. niyad Dec 2016 #84
And yet she lost. LS_Editor Dec 2016 #85
the reality of her popular vote win is a reality. deal with it. "move on"--hmm, where do we niyad Dec 2016 #91
Go ahead. Tell me. LS_Editor Dec 2016 #92
Like n/t Got it Dec 2016 #97
Tiresome Got it Dec 2016 #76
Then trash the tread that is to tiresome for you. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #77
you do realize that reading any OP, or any response on this board, is a strictly voluntary activity, niyad Dec 2016 #81
Majority Got it Dec 2016 #89
the MAJORITY voted, to the tune of nearly THREE MILLION, FOR her. what part of that do niyad Dec 2016 #90
Voters Got it Dec 2016 #93
blah, blah, blah --gee, where are we hearing this drivel from usually? niyad Dec 2016 #94
sweet Got it Dec 2016 #95
the MAJORITY of the country did NOT vote for der drumpfenfuhrer. niyad Dec 2016 #100
"When chatter first started about Hillary Clinton seeking our partys nomination back in 2014" MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #101
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
1. Except...
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:28 PM
Dec 2016

.... the only other times she's sought office was as NY Senator and.....you know.....she kind of won both times. So how bad could her approval have been?

And pulling in her popularity as First Lady is misleading since most of the time even regardless of how people feel about the husband/President, First Ladys usually engender a fair amount of good will.

And since she didn't have to run for Secretary of State, it's not exactly apples to apples to compare the two.

And then there's the fact that.....you know.....more people in the country voted for her to be president.

I'm not discounting sexism, but this whole angle doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. I honestly believe that as much of a factor as sexism still is, that this time around I think it was the least of the problems she faced.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
2. Sorry, I cannot agree.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:34 PM
Dec 2016

Sexism played a big part and that was how she was attacked from both sides.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
3. Oh, got it...
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:39 PM
Dec 2016

You were just looking to bash the left. Sorry I thought this was for an actual discussion with ideas. My mistake.

Best of luck to you.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
7. Do you have an issue with me?
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:56 PM
Dec 2016

You are all over my thread? Did I do something to you in another life? Please stop following me. Stop attacking me.

niyad

(119,679 posts)
30. the OP is a highly respected poster here, but do keep trying, dear heart, we need all the laughs
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:53 PM
Dec 2016

we can get right now.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
44. Women!
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 10:23 PM
Dec 2016

We have each others backs.

I posted in a thread that the 61% of women that voted for trump will never be my sister or love and care for our children's future. They do not stand for us, yet I will still do my best to protect them even though they tossed me and mine away.

I do not like or respect them, yet I will try to protect them.

niyad

(119,679 posts)
45. agreed. I just tell them, though, that I regret the necessity of saving their ignorant asses
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 10:25 PM
Dec 2016

along with our own.

totodeinhere

(13,274 posts)
64. I realize now that my comment came off as snarky. But that was not my intention.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 02:17 PM
Dec 2016

My point was that many Trump supporters don't give a damn about anything besides having a racist and a demagogue in the White House.

BTW, I enjoy reading your comments.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
62. The only one equating the obvious misogyny displayed against Clinton with "the left" is you.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 08:40 AM
Dec 2016

Funny that.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
8. not to get off the post, but i watch HGTV. there's
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:57 PM
Dec 2016

a show called flip or flop -- husband and wife take rundown homes in california and make them beautiful. well it seems the marriage broke up. i couldn't believe the nasty comments people made about the wife (including other women). she was too "mouthy", "thought she knew more about construction than he did", etc.

it got me thinking -- that's one of the reasons hillary lost. still a lot of misogyny in this country.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
10. Ha!
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:01 PM
Dec 2016

She was to "mouthy." Yup that is us! We need to sit down and just shut up. NOT!

Thanks DesertFlower.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
18. I've seen that show & I doubt if the comments had anything to do with her being a woman
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:46 PM
Dec 2016

Both of them, the wife AND the husband, were deserving of some of the negative comments that came their way. Both of them acted like a couple of spoiled brats.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
24. i like the show. read up on them -- they really
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:35 PM
Dec 2016

struggled when the housing market went south. i'm happy for their success. they also had a hard time conceiving their 2nd child. they had to harvest his sperm before his cancer treatment. she had several IVF's.

http://qpolitical.com/tarek-christina-el-moussa-reveal-heartbreaking-journey-behind-great-success/

seeing the prices people have to pay in southern california makes me grateful that i live in phoenix. can't imagine paying over $700,000 for a house with laminate floors.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,689 posts)
38. Didn't some people on DU who now support her call her every name in the book when she....
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 10:00 PM
Dec 2016

.... ran against Obama in the 2008 primary?

How do we classify people who called her "unfit" and "liar" and accused her of fomenting assassination of Obama in 2008 but now think she was the best nominee ever? Are they ex-sexists?

Gore1FL

(21,840 posts)
71. Her biggest flaw was being part of a political dynasty in the post G.W. Bush era.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:44 PM
Dec 2016

Political dynasties are not popular at the moment. The same issue got Jeb Bush.

drmeow

(5,269 posts)
54. Unfortunately
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 11:19 PM
Dec 2016

we don't really have any modern Secretaries of State who ran for President and First Ladies who ran for President to compare her to. However, if you look at Al Gore's approval ratings from Vice President to Presidential candidate, they didn't drop dramatically. Unfortunately I can't seem to find numbers for other candidates but that is where the comparison needs to be made.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
61. Even if you make that comparison...
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 08:25 AM
Dec 2016

...you can draw any conclusion from it that you want. That doesn't mean it will be the correct or the accurate one. As we learned in early November, none of this is scientific and there are way too many moving parts.

mcar

(43,452 posts)
6. K&R
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:46 PM
Dec 2016

I couldn't agree more.

Look at polls. HRC herself said when she runs for office, her numbers go down. When she's in office, they go up. Uppity women shouldn't be running for office, apparently.

AlexSFCA

(6,262 posts)
11. praised
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:07 PM
Dec 2016

Nearly every senate republican voted to confirm her as secretary of state. Many republicsns publicly praised inluding trump himself.

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
12. Misogyny played a large part in this election.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:13 PM
Dec 2016

It continues to play a role here on DU too - too many protest too much.

Thanks ss2! It's always good to "see" you!

I will remain heartbroken for the foreseeable future about the choice that was made in this election. I count myself very fortunate in that I take turns residing in two of the most liberal and culturally, racially, and religiously integrated areas of the world. Thus I will not suffer the consequences as too many will.

But I still empathize with those who voted like me - for the BEST candidate - and who do not have the advantages that I do to help them through the devastation that a DT Administration will bring.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
17. Can anyone imagine a female Bernie Sanders stepping into a presidential race and insisting that she
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:39 PM
Dec 2016

should be the nominee?

It would just never happen. And if she tried to do it, a female Socialist from Vermont with a child out of wedlock, rumpled clothes, disheveled white hair, a not terribly distinguished record in the House and Senate, yelling about oligarchs and promising a revolution would have been laughed out of the race within minutes.

progressoid

(50,734 posts)
27. Female Bernie Sanders?
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:49 PM
Dec 2016

Elizabeth Warren.

No rumpled clothes or disheveled hair; but a divorced, ex-republican with little government experience, yelling about oligarchs and revolution.

I don't think she would be laughed out of the race within minutes.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
33. Nice try - but by taking away all of Bernie's attributes, you changed the premise of my questions
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:54 PM
Dec 2016

I repeat. No WOMAN with Bernie's attributes and baggage - including rumpled clothes, disheveled hair, a child out of wedlock with an undistinguished record yelling about oligarchs and revolution - would EVER have been taken seriously. Not for a second.

But a MAN with those same qualities was.

progressoid

(50,734 posts)
59. Well if you're going to cherry pick attributes,
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 01:12 AM
Dec 2016

you should also add that Bernie is an old and Jewish to make your straw man argument complete. Clearly, there isn't a woman that fits that exact description to counter your supposition. The issue I have is that most of his attributes and baggage aren't really all that problematic. Gender notwithstanding.

Obviously, sexism was a factor in the election. She was held to a higher standard because she's a woman. Just as Obama was because he wasn't white. In fact, I think your argument makes more sense if you reverse it. That is, if Hillary's attributes and baggage (real or perceived), were applied to a man, they would be less of a problem.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
20. Hi Blue. So good to see you as well.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:55 PM
Dec 2016

I am in a blue state too, yet due to circumstances... I will pay a heavy price. I am now on ACA, lost my job over 8 months ago.

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
65. So sorry to hear that!
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 02:20 PM
Dec 2016


Dems had better fight like hell for the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security!

While a very mean part of me would love to see the Trump voters suffer for what they have done, I do not want those who are most vulnerable and who worked their hearts out for Hillary and Dems to fall by the wayside. So that means that we have to fight for the leeches too. But f**k every single one of those leeches!

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
96. Well, I wasn't online
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:41 PM
Dec 2016

to see this last night. But I was fine then - and am fine today, thanks, niyad!

I hope that all is well with you - and continues to be!

bucolic_frolic

(46,848 posts)
13. It really hasn't changed, has it
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:15 PM
Dec 2016

The white wealthy male club is in charge, to exploit your labor and
steal assets for themselves

At the root, that's what this election was about.

Don't cooperate. Operate your own business, flow the profits to you.
Many start small. Just keep feet in motion. Carpool if you have to.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
15. You know how it's different?
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:25 PM
Dec 2016

It's "Hillary did this" and "Hillary did that."

As if she wasn't running against a misogynistic sexist pig? Are they defending the pig?

niyad

(119,679 posts)
35. many are, indeed defending the pig (although, personally, I think that is insulting our porcine ones
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:56 PM
Dec 2016

niyad

(119,679 posts)
40. no need for apologies--I thought it was priceless. just glad I wasn't drinking anything.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 10:02 PM
Dec 2016

and now that phrase is stuck in my brain!!

niyad

(119,679 posts)
28. remember this guardian article: Why do successful women like Hillary Clinton get under so many peop
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:52 PM
Dec 2016

Why do successful women like Hillary Clinton get under so many people's skin?

There’s nothing the public enjoys more than a high-flying woman brought low, argues Sady Doyle, and nothing we like less than a woman who refuses to play the game


?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=fb3980dea15e9fdb45a40e70a94e01c0
‘Hillary’s extraordinary success may only be tempting the God of Trainwrecks to make her our biggest and best catastrophe yet:’ Clinton talks with members of her staff inside her campaign plane at the Westchester County airport. Photograph: Carlos Barria/Reuters


Hillary Clinton has a unique talent to make people viscerally angry. Just look at the footage from Trump rallies: supporters carry “Lyin Hillary” dolls hung from miniature nooses, cry “Lock her up” and “Hang her in the streets”, and wear Trump That Bitch T-shirts. You could chalk this up to Trump’s toxicity, but some of it also haunted the Democratic primaries, in the over-the-top depictions of Clinton as a cold-blooded murderer or criminal mastermind promulgated by the most fanatical Bernie Sanders supporters.

So why is it, exactly, that Clinton gets under our skin? We could blame it on sexism – personally, sexism is one of my favourite things to blame stuff on; I recommend it highly – and that would be correct. Still, that diagnosis is a little too blunt to really get at the problem. Women and men, left-wingers and right-wingers alike, all dissolve into spasms of rabid conspiracy theorising and ranting when Clinton’s name comes up.

I would argue that Clinton irritates people not just because of her gender, but because we simply can’t process her narrative. There are no stories that prepare us for her trajectory through life and, therefore, we react to her as if she’s a disruption in our reality, rather than a person. We love public women best when they are losers, when they’re humiliated, defeated, or (in some instances) just plain killed. Yet Clinton, despite the disapproval that rains down on her, continues to go out there and chalk up wins.

Aversion to successful or ambitious women is nothing new. It’s baked into our cultural DNA. Consider the myth of Atalanta. She was the fastest runner in her kingdom, forced men to race her for her hand, and defeated every one of them. She would have gotten away with it, too, if some man hadn’t booby-trapped the course with apples to slow her down, which is presented as a happy ending. By taking away her ability to excel, he also takes away her loneliness.

. . . .

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/nov/06/why-do-we-love-a-trainwreck

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
29. We had "our own" repeating "flawed candidate"over
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:52 PM
Dec 2016

Over and over again (alternating with "no one likes her) mindlessly as if EVERYONE on earth is not flawed. They were played like a fiddle with the Wiki leaks bullshit and hunted her down worse than congress did.
At least congress were not useful idiots.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,035 posts)
55. Republicans and the conservative media started the Benghazi and private email attacks...
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 11:19 PM
Dec 2016

... and I'm sure that was related to her falling poll numbers too.

Now that she's "lost" the election, Republicans are closing the Benghazi investigation.

There's some Archie Bunker sexists still out there too, of course.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
60. Is sexism still a huge issue that hinders female candidates for all elected offices? Absolutely.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:21 AM
Dec 2016

Is sexism the only reason anyone could possibly not think Hillary was a good candidate for president? Absolutely not.

niyad

(119,679 posts)
82. nobody said sexism is the only reason. but it certainly IS a reason, and one that many people
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:27 PM
Dec 2016

vociferously deny. ostrich land is rather crowded.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
86. I absolutely agree.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:39 AM
Dec 2016

But one of the issues we had here during the primary was the frequent insinuations being throw around that if you weren't with Hillary it was because you were a sexist. That isn't healthy.

Eric J in MN

(35,620 posts)
72. The same applies to male politicians. More popular when not running.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:42 PM
Dec 2016

George H. W. Bush

Early November 1992: 43% favorable, 52% unfavorable

June 2014: 62% favorable, 31% unfavorable

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1618/favorability-people-news.aspx

niyad

(119,679 posts)
80. BS--and a typical response of those who refuse to acknowledge sexism and misogyny. we
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:23 PM
Dec 2016

see countless examples daily, even amoung those calling themselves "progressives"

Vinca

(50,975 posts)
87. I'm laughing, having been a groundbreaking first woman patrol officer on a police department.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:49 AM
Dec 2016

There's "sexism and misogyny" and then there's "SEXISM AND MYSOGYNY." The latter can get you killed.

niyad

(119,679 posts)
91. the reality of her popular vote win is a reality. deal with it. "move on"--hmm, where do we
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:30 AM
Dec 2016

hear that?

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
92. Go ahead. Tell me.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:13 PM
Dec 2016

And we weren't playing a popular vote game, we were playing an electoral college game.

She lost. And you appear to be in serious denial about that, and are more than ready to group me in with the alt right or something.

If the Democratic Party responds like you do, 2016 will be the beginning of a long line of catastrophic elections.

Regroup, Adapt, Counterattack. But first, accept.

 

Got it

(59 posts)
76. Tiresome
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 06:30 PM
Dec 2016

She lost because she was a weak candidate with too much baggage. Save the sexism charge for the real victims.

niyad

(119,679 posts)
81. you do realize that reading any OP, or any response on this board, is a strictly voluntary activity,
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:25 PM
Dec 2016

yes? in other words, one is not forced to read that which one finds tiresome, or objectionable, or dull, or. . .

but in response to the usual "weak candidate" meme, you might try reading the following:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028379627

 

Got it

(59 posts)
89. Majority
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:24 AM
Dec 2016

The MAJORITY of Americans have determined she was a weak candidate. THAT is why she lost.

niyad

(119,679 posts)
90. the MAJORITY voted, to the tune of nearly THREE MILLION, FOR her. what part of that do
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:28 AM
Dec 2016

you ******* not understand?

and, instead of repeating reichwing memes, you might try actually reading the linked article, which your comment indicated you did not.

 

Got it

(59 posts)
93. Voters
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:20 PM
Dec 2016

What seems clear to me is ...

93 million eligible voters didn't vote...
63 million voted for Trump...

That's 156 million eligible voters who did not support the democratic candidate, as compared to the 66 million who voted for Clinton.

That appears to point to a fact that the majority felt HRC was a weak candidate, including many democrats here on DU and throughout the nation.

I admit my numbers are off +/- and not exactly current, but certainly close enough to make a point.

Blaming it on sexism is a waste of energy and an insult to the real victims of sexism. Inferring I'm repeating "reichwing memes" is just flat wrong.




 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
101. "When chatter first started about Hillary Clinton seeking our partys nomination back in 2014"
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:25 PM
Dec 2016

You're arguing it ever went away after 2007/2008?

Everybody knew SoS was just the on-deck circle for another run. What at any point gave you the impression there wouldn't be a 2016 campaign?

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