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CitizenZero

(595 posts)
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:10 PM Dec 2016

A Turning Point

During one of the debates, Trump kept mentioning the Rust Belt States--Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Hillary did not.

It seemed a turning point to me. Trump was speaking directly to the voters in these States, and Hillary just kept on offering her Resume and her Policies. Those things (experience, policies) are important, but you have to throw some red meat to the voters, which is what Trump did. I realized at that debate moment that Trump was addressing the voters directly and Hillary was in trouble. Trump was a cunning and ruthless salesman.

Hillary had the experience, no doubt, but she was not a good campaigner, in my opinion. Trump has an instinct to go for the jugular and Hillary was just not good at speaking to the voters concerns. In campaigns, reason flies out the window at some point. It is more about instinct and emotion, and Trump is a snake oil salesmen who could sell ice to eskimos. The Democrats need to nominate people who appeal to the interests, needs, and prejudices of the people, not cerebral policy wonks who have been in Washington for decades.

So, it is good to have candidates who are smart and experienced, but that alone is not enough. We have to nominate candidates who are good campaigners and who can speak directly to what voters think and need. They should also have the capacity to throw some punches as well. Hillary may have been too sincere and too civilized. Maybe we need a street fighter instead of an honor student.

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A Turning Point (Original Post) CitizenZero Dec 2016 OP
A factor, but I think way he mentioned Mexicans, BLM, Obama, women, etc., had more to do with it. Hoyt Dec 2016 #1
Straight up bizarro world. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2016 #2
New Candidates CitizenZero Dec 2016 #3
Comey, Voter suppression, Russia... !!!! uponit7771 Dec 2016 #4
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. A factor, but I think way he mentioned Mexicans, BLM, Obama, women, etc., had more to do with it.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:20 PM
Dec 2016

I don't think we need someone like that.

CitizenZero

(595 posts)
3. New Candidates
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:34 PM
Dec 2016

By "street fighter", I do not mean someone who will disparage others, like Trump did, but someone who is not afraid to throw some elbows in defense of Progressive causes.

Yes, Trump did appeal to prejudiced voters and that was a big factor, but he also spoke to all those Rust Belt Folks that Globalism has left behind. Michael Moore explains this way better than I can.

Anyway, I think we might need candidates who are more aggressive than HRC was. I am thinking of folks like Andrew Cuomo in New York. He is a really tough politician who is not afraid of a street fight. I would love to see Cuomo go toe-to-toe with Trump in 2020, if Trump is not impeached before then and if the country still exists (joking).

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