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Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:55 AM Dec 2016

Zephyr Teachout lost in NY-19

I haven't seen any/many articles on this? Does anyone have any opinions?

I live in the district and voted for Will Yandic in the primary and for Zephyr Teachout in the general.

I also volunteered for Zephyr's campaign after she won the primary.

Any thoughts?


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Zephyr Teachout lost in NY-19 (Original Post) Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 OP
She was targeted with a lot of late money BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #1
Thanks BeyondGeograhy! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #3
Actually, I think Yandik is more the prototype BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #8
Well, here in NY 1 we lost worse than you guys did... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #2
Yes, you trash your opponents and then it become irreconcilable. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #4
A more nuanced view: Clinton/supporters insultingly marginalized Bernie and his supporters. JudyM Dec 2016 #10
And vice-versa. Try not to put all the blame on one side. TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #13
Take another look at your own post... blaming "the loser" while claiming to be blaming the process. JudyM Dec 2016 #14
Because the loser pooped sour grapes for almost four months after the loss.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #23
Brava child! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #30
Aww shucks, you honor me She! What is with this shocked reaction to bettyellen Dec 2016 #33
SMH... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #34
Same people just getting bolder - making up CTs about Dems and ..... bettyellen Dec 2016 #35
+1 NCTraveler Dec 2016 #59
Really. Good grief.. Thank you, TBastard! Cha Dec 2016 #47
She was targeted by Trump's chief financial backer Robert Mercer and Tanuki Dec 2016 #5
Citizen's United is a powerful tool for the rich and powerful andym Dec 2016 #15
Did Hillary get more votes than her or the same or less? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #6
Well, Hillary lost by 10% and Teachout lost by 9%, so... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #7
Her vote share was twelve points higher than that of the previous Democratic candidate. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #9
In 2012, the Democratic candidate only lost by 5 points oberliner Dec 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Dec 2016 #11
Blame a Dem bingo! bettyellen Dec 2016 #24
We aren't forbidden to make any critical comments at all about any Democratic politicians. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #25
So without any evidence you blame her loss on a fellow Dem? bettyellen Dec 2016 #27
I asked a legitimate question. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #36
You made up a CT out of whole cloth. Is that smart in this era of BS disinformation? bettyellen Dec 2016 #37
I know, right.. no evidence whatsoever. Cha Dec 2016 #48
ALL I see here on DU is bash a Dem. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #32
Discussion is not "bashing". Ken Burch Dec 2016 #38
Honest conversation... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #39
Accusations of rat fucking are not simple questioning- they're bullshit smears like the crap we saw bettyellen Dec 2016 #49
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #57
Yours is not a critical comment, it's a baseless La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #43
There's an incredible immaturity in this need to have everyone suspect unless they're the Sanders bettyellen Dec 2016 #51
Also cuomo is an effective governor La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #53
And they slam him for working with Republicans but it's okay when Bernie does with that freak Trump. bettyellen Dec 2016 #55
He couldn't have helped her. First off I doubt she wanted his help and hrmjustin Dec 2016 #46
At least she came closer than before in that district mvd Dec 2016 #12
Julian Schreibman was much closer in 2012 oberliner Dec 2016 #17
Ok, I stand corrected then. I was going by another post here mvd Dec 2016 #18
I thought she would win oberliner Dec 2016 #19
Yep, there were some good things like.. mvd Dec 2016 #20
2018 looks a bit scary as well oberliner Dec 2016 #21
Well, on the bright side, Trump should be a disaster for the Repukes mvd Dec 2016 #22
A non-progressive Dem would have made exactly the same showing. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #26
There's really no way of knowing that oberliner Dec 2016 #40
Good article on Teachout/Faso here BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #28
I'm an outsider, but after reading that the seat had been won by a Republican... CBHagman Dec 2016 #29
I didn't think she was going to win. That district has more RW parts to it and when they hrmjustin Dec 2016 #31
This is Kirsten Gillibrand's old district right? crazycatlady Dec 2016 #58
No. This is a lower Hudson Valley district. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #62
I thought Sean Patrick Maloney was the lower Hudson Valley crazycatlady Dec 2016 #66
You are right! The 19th is apart of the lower half of Kristen's old district. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #67
She should have run in Brooklyn Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #41
Am wondering why she didn't? She lives and works there. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #42
No open districts to run in. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #45
Velazquez is useless Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #50
I can not say she makes an impression but her constituents keep sending her back. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #54
Anthony Weiner could still be elected in that district Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #56
No. First his old district has been redrawn and after he resigned the GOP won the district. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #61
I'm being sarcastic, but in November the 7th district went for us 90% Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #63
Point taken. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #64
I don't know much about her crazycatlady Dec 2016 #44
I'm not a fan, but she would have been a strong candidate in the right district Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #52
Besides Brooklyn where else in NY would have been a good place for ZT to run? Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #60
She would have done fine anywhere urban Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #65

BeyondGeography

(40,003 posts)
1. She was targeted with a lot of late money
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:10 AM
Dec 2016

and negative ads. The last two weeks were pretty brutal.

It's a winnable but tough district, as you know. The last D (Scott Murphy) was a centrist. Chris Gibson was popular and seen as a reasonable Republican. Faso ran with that and it worked. Teachout's roots in area weren't deep and that hurt, too.

BeyondGeography

(40,003 posts)
8. Actually, I think Yandik is more the prototype
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 04:24 PM
Dec 2016

I think a lot of D's went with Teachout because she was more prolific on the money side, but the carpetbagger meme led a lot of people to tune her out. Be interesting to see how the new DNC looks at it. The district will remain competitive, IMO, especially with Trump to run against.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Well, here in NY 1 we lost worse than you guys did...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:15 AM
Dec 2016

I am not sure just why we got wiped out across the country. I do have my suspicions.

Here, we had a brutal primary that hurt our candidate, who would normally be considered seasoned and a great replacement for our current scumbag in Congress. Didn't work, though.

It could be the primary process that's a large part of the problem. The idea is to trash your opponent, and that carries over into the general. And supporters of the loser tend not to be so chummy with the winners, taking their sour grapes and staying home or otherwise causing trouble.

I'm tempted to put a lot of blame on Bernistas, but more blame should probably be put on the process, and our inability to pull together for the general election.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. Because the loser pooped sour grapes for almost four months after the loss....
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:47 PM
Dec 2016

And never really stopped trashing Dems. If you cant understand why that would piss off people I can't help you. But it never should happen again.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
33. Aww shucks, you honor me She! What is with this shocked reaction to
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:07 PM
Dec 2016

People being upset about this behavior? SMH do they think we forgot how rude and punitive and damaging all that crap was? Nope. never again. At a certain point we deserve unity- and need loyal candidates.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
35. Same people just getting bolder - making up CTs about Dems and .....
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:14 PM
Dec 2016

Hey are you watching SNL? Baldwin has been trolling Trump about it- 16 minutes. I started a thread for it! HA

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
59. +1
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 10:18 AM
Dec 2016

As they point at you lecturing, they refuse to look at their own fingers pointing back at themselves.

They were correct on who the loser was. They often take that in itself as a hit even though factual.

Tanuki

(15,302 posts)
5. She was targeted by Trump's chief financial backer Robert Mercer and
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 02:55 PM
Dec 2016

a couple of other right wing extremist billionaires, who (thanks to Citizens United) were able to flood her opponent with cash. You might find this post-mortem if her campaign intetesting:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/zephyr-teachouts-loss-and-the-fight-against-dark-money/amp?client=ms-android-att-us

andym

(5,676 posts)
15. Citizen's United is a powerful tool for the rich and powerful
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 08:35 PM
Dec 2016

they probably are sending xmas cards to the Supreme Court just for that decision.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
9. Her vote share was twelve points higher than that of the previous Democratic candidate.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 04:31 PM
Dec 2016

So, while she lost, it's not as though her campaign was an unqualified disaster.

I don't see how Yandic would have done any better. Or how anyone further to the right than either of them would have.

(Thank you for working for Zephyr in the fall, though).

Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
25. We aren't forbidden to make any critical comments at all about any Democratic politicians.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:16 PM
Dec 2016

Andrew Cuomo is simply a man. It's not an attack on the Democratic Party to question his choices.

The guy spent years refusing to try to help his party win a majority in the NY State Senate-just because he thought that if the Senate stayed Republican he'd get his budgets passed "on time&quot whatever that means). So why would you feel any loyalty to HIM?

We don't have to refrain from saying ANYTHING critical of anyone who happens to be a Democratic public figure to prove our party loyalty.

I've spent years proving I'm a loyal Dem. Pretending that all Democratic public figures are infallible is NOT part of loyalty.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
27. So without any evidence you blame her loss on a fellow Dem?
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:33 PM
Dec 2016

You engage in baseless speculation about her failure by stabbing another Dem in the back? Not the first time weve seen you make up scenarios about Dems. And then you post shit about unity. What a crock of shit.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
36. I asked a legitimate question.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:18 PM
Dec 2016

Cuomo has a history with Teachout, and has a history of NOT helping other Dems in his state.

I'm not attacking "Democrats" as a group or as a party.

What do you want us all to do? Pretend our party is infallible? Attack the Rights(which we all do anyway)and do nothing ELSE?

Why should we not campaign by making a positive case for OUR program, by trying to win the argument and win the voters to a program of progressive change, rather than JUST campaign AGAINST our opponents? It's not like "Stop Them-They're Monsters" campaigning ever gets us elected.

I think we stand for good things, that our ideas are actually popular, and that we can win by running positive campaigns about what we have to offer.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
37. You made up a CT out of whole cloth. Is that smart in this era of BS disinformation?
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:21 PM
Dec 2016

Posts like that are part of the problem. More baseless accusations- I'd have thought you got that out of your system earlier this year. And you want people to trust you? not happening.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
38. Discussion is not "bashing".
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:24 PM
Dec 2016

Are you saying we shouldn't question or debate ANYTHING here?

That we should pretend politicians in our party are infallible?

What is the harm of having honest conversations about what we should do next?

And in any case, the 2016 election is over...we don't seem to be in the fall rules anymore and there's no reason that we should be.

sheshe2

(87,309 posts)
39. Honest conversation...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:40 PM
Dec 2016

When it only bashes Dems is not honest. It is all over the board. All I see is bashing Dems. That is all.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
49. Accusations of rat fucking are not simple questioning- they're bullshit smears like the crap we saw
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:39 PM
Dec 2016

All spring. He supported her on the record. They have a history as rivals and didn't love each other- a very very common scenario among politicians. This does not mean we should engage in childish and harmful accusations of skull duggery.

This is the whole fucking problem w some of the more rabid Sanders supporters, everyone not onboard is the enemy and it's accepted practice to exaggerate and even make up stories about them and put them out there.

It's poisonous and dishonest and this shit needs to end.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
51. There's an incredible immaturity in this need to have everyone suspect unless they're the Sanders
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:57 PM
Dec 2016

Wing of the party. They don't seem to appreciate that some areas of the country are more conservative, or that politicians make alliances between themselves and with groups to HELP each other.
It's all of their three pet issues and love for Sanders that matters, and nothing else. The way they've pushed pols that were against reproductive rights months earlier is really really disturbing to me.
As long as someone comes out of no where and pledges allegiance to the Bern they're A-ok, but people who have worked hard for years are nothing to them. Sanders isn't running again, he's not a Dem, but this bullshit attitude of not needing to do the work or be part of a coalition continues. It's childish and punitive to make up stories about politicians like he did above. And he wonders why his kumbya threads get the side eye. Because he's trying to use us to advance his agenda. Fuck that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
55. And they slam him for working with Republicans but it's okay when Bernie does with that freak Trump.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 11:39 PM
Dec 2016

It amazes me that people who hate easily 90% Of existing Dems think others are being divisive. Seriously people?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
46. He couldn't have helped her. First off I doubt she wanted his help and
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 09:22 PM
Dec 2016

it wouldn't have mattered. Trump did too well in the district for her to win and she had no cross over appeal.

mvd

(65,437 posts)
12. At least she came closer than before in that district
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 07:14 PM
Dec 2016

I hope she tries again, because she is the kind of progressive we need more of.

mvd

(65,437 posts)
18. Ok, I stand corrected then. I was going by another post here
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:15 PM
Dec 2016

Still hope she tries again because she is what the future of the party should be. It wasn't the best year for our candidates in general. 2012 had President Obama.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. I thought she would win
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:16 PM
Dec 2016

Having high profile support from Bernie and everything.

People talk about the general election, but there were some very distressing losses on the Congressional front as well.

mvd

(65,437 posts)
20. Yep, there were some good things like..
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:21 PM
Dec 2016

the Senate pickups (which we thought would be more) and the NC Governor's race (which the Repukes in typical fashion are trying to weaken), but we need to do much better in 2020. If Trump is not there, Pence will be, and the country can't take more of them. I even worry if we can survive 4 years ok.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
21. 2018 looks a bit scary as well
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:26 PM
Dec 2016

Lots of Democrats with not particularly stable seats up for re-election. Fewer Republicans defending seats.

Does not bode well.

mvd

(65,437 posts)
22. Well, on the bright side, Trump should be a disaster for the Repukes
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:27 PM
Dec 2016

And hopefully some of his voters will realize their mistake. We do have an uphill battle in the next Senate races.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
26. A non-progressive Dem would have made exactly the same showing.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:17 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:52 PM - Edit history (1)

There wasn't anyone there who'd vote for a Dem, but ONLY if that Dem made a big thing of saying she or he wasn't a liberal.

John Hall was clearly a left-Dem when HE held the seat.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
40. There's really no way of knowing that
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:45 PM
Dec 2016

The problem with ZT might have been that she was not actually from the area.

BeyondGeography

(40,003 posts)
28. Good article on Teachout/Faso here
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:54 PM
Dec 2016
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/zephyr-teachouts-loss-and-the-fight-against-dark-money

The carpetbagger charge hurt, and labeling her "Professor" seems to have helped Faso. Yeah, it's stupid, but it is what it is. She got less mileage out of ripping Faso's lobbying ties, banks and Wall St. than he and his backers did painting her as an out-of-touch elitist and lying about her tax plan.

CBHagman

(17,134 posts)
29. I'm an outsider, but after reading that the seat had been won by a Republican...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:02 PM
Dec 2016

...in six of the last eight races, I thought that expectations of a Teachout win were too high.

[url]https://ballotpedia.org/New_York%27s_19th_Congressional_District[/url]

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
31. I didn't think she was going to win. That district has more RW parts to it and when they
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:05 PM
Dec 2016

come out in force like they did this year we'll you get this result. It takes a strong Democratic year for our side to win that district and it wasn't that year.

My sense is she will try again in the midterms in the hopes it will be a good Democratic year. Whether she gets nominated again I don't know.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
66. I thought Sean Patrick Maloney was the lower Hudson Valley
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:45 PM
Dec 2016

I know KG's old district has since been cut up in redistricting, but wouldn't it be the most similar?

I know Nan Hayworth defeated John Hall in the old 19th and then she was defeated by Sean Patrick Maloney (IIRC he still holds the seat). I grew up just outside of that district (Nita Lowey-- then 18th now 17th).

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
67. You are right! The 19th is apart of the lower half of Kristen's old district.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:51 PM
Dec 2016

I was mistaking this for Sean's district.

Not at all surprised she lost this district. Not a liberal bastion.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
54. I can not say she makes an impression but her constituents keep sending her back.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 11:36 PM
Dec 2016

Than again so many of them are useless and keep on getting re-elected.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
63. I'm being sarcastic, but in November the 7th district went for us 90%
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:18 PM
Dec 2016

any Democrat could have won there.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
44. I don't know much about her
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 08:55 PM
Dec 2016

But I know a little about the district as my sister lives not far from there (and drove through there for Thanksgiving). I also went there a lot as a child (non voter then).

Honest question--- her name is not exactly conventional and from an outsider's POV it sounds like a hippie name or one of those strange names a celebrity would name their child. Do you think she would have done better if her name were Mary Smith?

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
52. I'm not a fan, but she would have been a strong candidate in the right district
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 11:01 PM
Dec 2016

The 19th was not the right district.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
60. Besides Brooklyn where else in NY would have been a good place for ZT to run?
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 10:42 AM
Dec 2016

Who do you think would've been a good candidate for NY-19? Will Yandik? I did vote for him in the primary.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
65. She would have done fine anywhere urban
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:43 PM
Dec 2016

But she being in Bernie's camp would have had a bruising primary against the machine in those areas.

I don't really know who would have been a winning candidate for NY-19 this election, Trump brought out his vote in upstate New York.

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