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pbmus

(12,439 posts)
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:26 PM Dec 2016

POTUS blames democratic message for losing election

WOW..

The physical fight between dirty energy and climate is the titanic struggle of this century...with the winner being either quality of life or hell on earth.

The spiritual fight between greed and compassion is the megalithic challenge that is really at the heart of the universe and the point of the fight.

i wish I could write to tell you that this will all end well...??
We just elected one of the "-----------."
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POTUS blames democratic message for losing election (Original Post) pbmus Dec 2016 OP
Quote? Didn't hear that in his presser at all. bettyellen Dec 2016 #1
At approximately 3:55 et pbmus Dec 2016 #2
Do not see what you claimed. Reading into things? bettyellen Dec 2016 #15
The question was about hacking pbmus Dec 2016 #17
He talked about the Russians leading the press around by the nose with bullshit... bettyellen Dec 2016 #22
And he failed to grab that damn microphone and lastone Dec 2016 #3
He talked about their interference again and again.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #4
I can only say that he did not want to bring anarchy to the streets... pbmus Dec 2016 #6
Anarchy is what we need to combat lastone Dec 2016 #9
I think he still believes in our system.. pbmus Dec 2016 #10
I disagree. bettyellen Dec 2016 #12
Trump and the Russians, fuck we're fucked... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #21
I'm sorry I didn't realize you were an anarchist .... never mind! bettyellen Dec 2016 #14
I didn't see it so I really can't speak to your OP, but to a general point there is very little at still_one Dec 2016 #29
Obama isn't weak. ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #8
99% of people will now think nothing happened lastone Dec 2016 #11
How so? ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #13
Chuck Todd just summed it up lastone Dec 2016 #16
Obama addressed those things ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #18
No he didn't lastone Dec 2016 #19
At this stage there was nothing he could really do. Only way to remove trump now is through still_one Dec 2016 #30
He did not want to start an uprising on his last conference.. pbmus Dec 2016 #20
Which by the time it all comes out lastone Dec 2016 #23
Ok, I will state again we cannot allow our country pbmus Dec 2016 #24
Do you take seriously anything Chuck Toady says? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #27
Agreed... No partisan talk ..would only incite potential violence pbmus Dec 2016 #31
In a way ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #33
I sincerely hope you are correct.. pbmus Dec 2016 #37
President Obama can't fix stupid underthematrix Dec 2016 #25
This is exactly the problem: moonscape Dec 2016 #39
The democratic message was fine. kacekwl Dec 2016 #40
How, exactly, did he put that? MineralMan Dec 2016 #5
I also detected a veiled jab at lack of campaigning inwiththenew Dec 2016 #7
I also detected a veiled jab at lack of campaigning. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Kittycow Dec 2016 #38
BULLSHIT! Firebrand Gary Dec 2016 #26
This election was stolen flamingdem Dec 2016 #32
Yes agreed..what do you want this president to do about it.. pbmus Dec 2016 #34
Sounds like everyone heard something different radical noodle Dec 2016 #35
Agree with some heavy lifting by our own democratic reps pbmus Dec 2016 #36
wtf triron Dec 2016 #41
Hmm, that is why Russ Feingold, zypher teachout, and every swing state Democrat running for still_one Dec 2016 #42
same reason triron Dec 2016 #43

pbmus

(12,439 posts)
17. The question was about hacking
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:43 PM
Dec 2016

And he doubled down on democratic messaging..or lack of it..

I get the why, he does not want to foment anarchy...he is still the president..

I agree with another post that we need to get our ducks in a row and put the facts out there

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
22. He talked about the Russians leading the press around by the nose with bullshit...
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:52 PM
Dec 2016

And it was an excellent point that they did not cover issues and instead reported the info even after being told they were being manipulated. I think that's critically important. Maybe you don't?
Did not see him hammer Dems the way you described. I think the OP itself is disinformation.

 

lastone

(588 posts)
3. And he failed to grab that damn microphone and
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:31 PM
Dec 2016

Do what he should have and called out this whole fucking fiasco. Same weak shit we always counter with. Had it been a Republican ALL WE WOULD HAVE HEARD OF WAS THE HACK - FUCK!

pbmus

(12,439 posts)
10. I think he still believes in our system..
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:36 PM
Dec 2016

To self protect..and correct maybe in 4 yrs..the real ? Is can the world survive 4 yrs of djt..

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
21. Trump and the Russians, fuck we're fucked...
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:51 PM
Dec 2016

Yep, because when we have mid-terms in 2018, and then another GE in 2020, the ruskies will be in FULL bore cyber-hacking mode--maybe even more brazen--and hand over the Deeper blue states like California (With a Dem super-majority), New York, Oregon, Washington to the GOP. On top of that, you know under a tRump DOJ voter suppression/disenfranchisement will be on 'ROIDS all over this country where minorities and Dems are concerned.

As you said, "fuck we're fucked." Who'll stop the ruskies? the GOP who now are now mostly in love with putin tang et al?

still_one

(96,530 posts)
29. I didn't see it so I really can't speak to your OP, but to a general point there is very little at
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:06 PM
Dec 2016

this point President Obama could actually do.

There is nothing in the Constitution that calls for a do over.

The electors are not going to change the result. The only way to remove trump is through impeachment, and that is highly unlikely

We are screwed

ZoomBubba

(289 posts)
8. Obama isn't weak.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:34 PM
Dec 2016

Why does he need to go ape shit when he's already got the wheels moving? The FBI and CIA are now on board with each other, so pretty much all intelligence agencies are agreeing that Russia assisted Donald Trump with a disinformation campaign. He's been out there supporting that at least since this morning. It wouldn't serve a purpose to demean himself by going into partisan talk and sounding like Trump.

 

lastone

(588 posts)
11. 99% of people will now think nothing happened
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:36 PM
Dec 2016

So while not weak not strong whatsoever in my opinion...

 

lastone

(588 posts)
16. Chuck Todd just summed it up
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:40 PM
Dec 2016

" Donald Trump is going to be very happy on the line that President Obama walked today"

Meaning he didn't cause any disruption in the status quo and nothing is going to f****** happen about Russia hijacking this f****** election and forcing Donald f****** Trump on us. End of f****** story...

 

lastone

(588 posts)
19. No he didn't
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:48 PM
Dec 2016

Don't know what your watching but that was the weakest shit that could have possibly happened. I love Obama but sometimes his want to be a diplomat vs leader infuriates me.

still_one

(96,530 posts)
30. At this stage there was nothing he could really do. Only way to remove trump now is through
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:08 PM
Dec 2016

impeachment. Very unlikely at this stage anyway

pbmus

(12,439 posts)
20. He did not want to start an uprising on his last conference..
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:51 PM
Dec 2016

I can respect his decisions to not create anarchy...

We must persevere to get the facts and present the truth..

 

lastone

(588 posts)
23. Which by the time it all comes out
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:52 PM
Dec 2016

It will be far too late to effect any change so basically it will have no impact and the last potential influence he could have had was not existent and an opportunity wasted in my opinion.

pbmus

(12,439 posts)
24. Ok, I will state again we cannot allow our country
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:56 PM
Dec 2016

To become an anarchy...

He played his cards close to the vest to secure a Peaceful transition..

I am not sure what you want him to do.... He did say there was hacking..

He is not going to scream and holler unfair and foment rioting..

Yes, repukes will like the fact that he did not cry foul too often..

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,836 posts)
27. Do you take seriously anything Chuck Toady says?
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:00 PM
Dec 2016

When Chuckie isn't overtly carrying water for the GOP he's busy spewing false equivalencies and little digs at Obama. Don't use Toad for your own purposes.

pbmus

(12,439 posts)
31. Agreed... No partisan talk ..would only incite potential violence
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:11 PM
Dec 2016

We have to find other ways to rid ourselves of this abomination..called Trumpster

ZoomBubba

(289 posts)
33. In a way ...
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:15 PM
Dec 2016

... with the latest on the FBI, I think the GOP's hand is about to be forced and they'll do it for us. The smarter ones seem to understand they're going to have a disaster we may not recover from in four years and apparently McCain is out for Trump's head if he can get it.

pbmus

(12,439 posts)
37. I sincerely hope you are correct..
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:25 PM
Dec 2016

That the country comes before the party...

Because we really have a kleptocratic kakistrophic klusterfuck and its going to soon be run by dirty energy..

The physical fight between dirty energy and climate is the titanic struggle of this century...with the winner being either quality of life or hell on earth.

The spiritual fight between greed and compassion is the megalithic challenge that is really at the heart of the universe and the point of the fight.

i wish I could write to tell you that this will all end well...??
We just elected one of the "-----------."

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
25. President Obama can't fix stupid
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:57 PM
Dec 2016

We have to take responsibility for our govt. It means using our critical thinking skills instead of our feelings to elect our We the People govt. Who the phuck gives up their access to healthcare, their civil rights, their right to make healthcare choices because they don't like the candidate who will make sure we get to keep those things and get more.

I'm angry but I'm definitely not angry at President Obama or Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders because I see the same thing happening with the discussions on who should be DNC chair. I like Tom Perez or that black guy from the south or Tim Ryan. Whoever it is I will support them because the person will be representing my core interests - healthcare, social safety net, jobs, civil rights, criminal justice, prochoice, freedom of religion, equal protection under the law for all folks including LGTBQ folks.

Even though it was a coup, I don't think it would've happened with a more informed, better educated and well read voting population. Donald Trump would've have been long gone during the primaries, which means a coup would not have been possible.


moonscape

(5,363 posts)
39. This is exactly the problem:
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:39 PM
Dec 2016

"... I don't think it would've happened with a more informed, better educated and well read voting population."

And the solution to that starts with improving, not eliminating, public education.

But you have it exactly right. How does our system of govt function well without turning that around?

kacekwl

(7,508 posts)
40. The democratic message was fine.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:54 PM
Dec 2016

Too bad nobody heard it from our award winning media. Too busy writing and reporting pussy grabbing locker room talk. Black people beating themselves up at trump rallys. Every mouth breathing whore for Trump telling us what he ment to say, how he mis-spoke, everything he said was taken out of context. The MEDIA won the election for the tick tac sucking moron as much as anything else.

MineralMan

(147,576 posts)
5. How, exactly, did he put that?
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:32 PM
Dec 2016

I must have missed it somehow. Or, perhaps you're projecting something onto his speech...

When will we make an end of attacking one of the best Presidents we have had in recent years? I hope it's soon, because we're going to need to find ways to accomplish things pretty darned quickly now.

inwiththenew

(986 posts)
7. I also detected a veiled jab at lack of campaigning
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:33 PM
Dec 2016

When he was saying how he was a Senator to his whole state and he went to areas that basically didn't like him to get his message out.

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
28. I also detected a veiled jab at lack of campaigning.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:02 PM
Dec 2016

Hillary could have been FDR, John Kennedy, and Pres. Obama rolled all into ONE, and with the corporate media never fact-checking but only covering tRump for ratings ONLY, with all of the voter disenfranchisement/suppression out there occurring that ran amok courtesy of the GOP, with "help" from the ruskies (or was it a 400 lb russian in a basement?), with our OWN FBI head Comey putting his entire body on the scale against Hillary/Dems, and with low-info (racist, sexist, flat out dumb-ass) voters who by the way, will blame Pres. Obama for the sheer disaster this country ends up in the next several years, Hillary IMHO had no chance at winning the presidency.

Response to inwiththenew (Reply #7)

flamingdem

(39,916 posts)
32. This election was stolen
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:11 PM
Dec 2016

the statistics show that to be the case.

We all know Hillary would have taken it if not for Comey and funny business in Michigan, Wisc, Penn and no doubt Florida.

pbmus

(12,439 posts)
34. Yes agreed..what do you want this president to do about it..
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:15 PM
Dec 2016

We have to show the facts and harp at our reps to get them to continue the fight..

radical noodle

(8,581 posts)
35. Sounds like everyone heard something different
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:16 PM
Dec 2016

Unfortunately, I couldn't watch but I'm sure the transcript is somewhere.

My money is on the President. The whole time he's telling everyone that there's nothing to see here, you can bet there's really something going on that he doesn't want anyone to see yet.

Don't forget how cool he was at the Correspondents' Dinner the night of the Bin Laden raid.

pbmus

(12,439 posts)
36. Agree with some heavy lifting by our own democratic reps
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 05:18 PM
Dec 2016

I do not think they have been fighting with all they have yet...

still_one

(96,530 posts)
42. Hmm, that is why Russ Feingold, zypher teachout, and every swing state Democrat running for
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 09:58 PM
Dec 2016

Senate lost against the establishment republican incumbent in swing states

Ironically Russ lost by more than Hillary, and if every third party voter and self-identified progressive who refused to vote for Hillary voted for Russ, Russ would be Senator now

In fact if just the votes that went to Stein went to Hillary in the key swing states, Hillary would be President

Also, nice distortion what President Obama actually said

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