2016 Postmortem
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In any other country, the U.S. State Department would declare the presidential election results a hoax: Clinton won initial exit pollsusually dead accuratein four swing states.
Alan Gilbert 12.10.16 9:01 PM ET
1. Paper ballots and audits should be routine
Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate for president, has done a public service in demanding that the votes be audited in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Even where paper trails exist, most states do not audit elections. It is important to know that the vote each of us casts is counted fairly.
In Wisconsin, Donald Trumps narrow margin over Hillary Clinton was 0.7 percent, in Pennsylvania 1.2 percent, and in Michigan 0.2 percent. In Michigan, for example, Trump won by 10,708 votes out of 4,799,284. Further, 80,000 submitted ballots with no mark for president, which, at minimum, should be checked by the human eye.
Computer experts like Professor J. Alex Halderman at Michigan urged Clinton to join Steins challenge. Computerized voting machinestouch screens or DREs (Direct Recording Electronics)which leave no paper trail, are notoriously unsafe. Both Halderman and Professor Andrew Appel of Princeton have altered their programs quicklyAppel in seven minutes with a screwdriverand inserted malware. Such machines are used widely in Pennsylvania.
Further, for 2016, Halderman underlines that Russian or other interference has already broken into the Democratic National Committees and Clinton campaign chief John Podestas emails, as well as into voter registration systems in Illinois and Arizona. Others point to a 7 percent statistical deviation toward Trump in Wisconsin counties that use DREs with no paper trail. .................
DetlefK
(16,451 posts)Electoral College, filibuster, redistricting...
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SamKnause
(13,792 posts)Many in the United States government are corrupt.
They can not get elected if our elections are honest and fair.
Many corporations and lobbyists need these corrupt politicians.
Wall Street needs these corrupt politicians.
The justice system needs these corrupt politicians.
The police need these corrupt politicians.
The Pentagon needs these corrupt politicians.
It is hard to distinguish fact from fiction when they have been
caught in so many lies and culprits were never held accountable.
It is soul crushing to study the history of this country.
I have cried many times searching for and finding the truth.
randr
(12,477 posts)Computer control of all sales, banking, and trades each and every day come up with ZERO mistakes.
We should certainly be able to count the few millions of votes every two years.
The fact that we can not is proof enough that the system is rigged.