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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:35 AM Dec 2016

Bernie Sanders Urges Students Demand Progressive Voices Be Heard

Bernie Sanders Urges Students Demand Progressive Voices Be Heard
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The former Democratic presidential candidate spoke at the University of California, Berkeley, last week to promote his book “Our Revolution: A Future to Believe In” and continue his mission of challenging President-elect Donald Trump.

As Sanders has made clear in previous speeches, he refuses to compromise with the “delusional” president-elect on key issues such as “racism, sexism … homophobia, xenophobia,” climate change and “protecting American democracy.”

Trump’s victory with the working class shows the growing need for reform within the Democratic Party, Sanders said. The solution is to make it a grass-roots party, he said:

Our job is to not only expose the hypocrisy of Donald Trump, but it is to revitalize and bring fundamental reforms to the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has got to open its doors to working people, to young people, to low-income people. … The truth of the matter is the Democratic Party will not succeed by being the party of the liberal elite. It has got to be the party of the working people of this country.



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"to promote his book" R B Garr Dec 2016 #1
OMG, the doors to the party ARE and HAVE BEEN FOR AGES open to working people, young people boston bean Dec 2016 #2
Why have young voters been appethetic then? sfwriter Dec 2016 #4
So this is the first election young voters have been apathetic? REALLY?! uponit7771 Dec 2016 #5
They weren't apathetic in the primary, where Sanders won more under30's than HRC and DT combined. JudyM Dec 2016 #6
The fact he was able to do that ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #8
Well, that's one perspective. JudyM Dec 2016 #12
No, this election is the exception... sfwriter Dec 2016 #20
Because they take for granted what is actually very fragile. Trump will fix that. BzaDem Dec 2016 #11
The party or democracy? sfwriter Dec 2016 #21
The doors were open to everyone GummyBearz Dec 2016 #7
Keep trying...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #3
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!%(#)%*@@!! nt JTFrog Dec 2016 #9
He's right about more progressive voices, but his campaign strategy did not help matters. kcr Dec 2016 #10
Hey Bernie, did you see what Clinton ran on and her platform? NCTraveler Dec 2016 #13
In order to have your voice heard, you have WhiteTara Dec 2016 #14
The problem is the GOP finds it easier to recruit because they encourage their pols to bettyellen Dec 2016 #15
but they don't just have good working relationships with non-profits. Building coalitions with JCanete Dec 2016 #16
Sounds like you're happy they'll be pitchforks in our future? bettyellen Dec 2016 #17
Do you really believe that change can come about from the inside? What is the impetus for that JCanete Dec 2016 #18
I think some are honest and others not so much. I also think what some see as dishonest or not bettyellen Dec 2016 #19

boston bean

(36,474 posts)
2. OMG, the doors to the party ARE and HAVE BEEN FOR AGES open to working people, young people
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:43 AM
Dec 2016

and low income people, and a whole host of others as well.

This is more untrue smearing of the democratic party by berni.

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
4. Why have young voters been appethetic then?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:53 AM
Dec 2016

He's telling them to participate, just like you say has always been possible. What is the problem with that??

ZoomBubba

(289 posts)
8. The fact he was able to do that ...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:08 AM
Dec 2016

... and Hillary went on to trounce him in the primary shows why the under 30 vote is unreliable, even when someone like Sanders fired them up. They may help out some, but putting all our eggs in the under-30 basket is not a good tactic. They give back much less than they receive.

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
20. No, this election is the exception...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:03 PM
Dec 2016

Sanders energized them. I'm saying why have they previously been apathetic if they had all of this opportunity in the Democratic party?

Why are they suddenly out in force and so dedicated to someone outside the party mainstream?


Sorry if I was confusing.

BzaDem

(11,142 posts)
11. Because they take for granted what is actually very fragile. Trump will fix that.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:21 AM
Dec 2016

It's just a shame it takes Trump.

kcr

(15,522 posts)
10. He's right about more progressive voices, but his campaign strategy did not help matters.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:14 AM
Dec 2016

To start with, he made huge mistakes regarding the people he chose to run his campaign. For example, every time Jeff Weaver opens his gob, I realize that all the obnoxious things I tend to associate with the campaign must come from him. it makes me wonder if he's still in Bernie's ear and that's why Bernie is still attacking Hillary and her supporters and blaming them even though the primaries are long over. If so, he needs to cut him out of his life completely. The circular firing squad will not help get more progressives heard. It will only shore up the defenses and ensure they get shut out. It's a stupid strategy.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. Hey Bernie, did you see what Clinton ran on and her platform?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:40 AM
Dec 2016

The guy is just out padding his retirement at this point. Half his statements are completely empty. How about he tell the students they should have shown up in greater numbers for the progressive running in the GE, Clinton.

Her campaign was very open and had so much for progressives. If one thinks that is not the case, it's for personal reasons.

WhiteTara

(30,150 posts)
14. In order to have your voice heard, you have
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:08 PM
Dec 2016

to be in a place where people listen and that is in the halls of government. We need more young people to step up to the plate in government. Every event I go, it is filled with gray haired people and MAYBE one or two young people.

It's easy to rally, but difficult to govern. Maybe from all the rallies, there will be a few who hear the need to do more than buy a book or listen to someone tell them how fucked up everything is.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
15. The problem is the GOP finds it easier to recruit because they encourage their pols to
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:53 PM
Dec 2016

Double dip and participate solely for personal gain. They are fine with that, and it makes it easier for them to affordable to get into politics.

Contrast that with Dems who are vilified as "establishment" for having good working relationships with the best non-profits in the nation. We have Dems that call THAT nefarious and it's disgusting and naive. It's mind boggling that the left think that building coalitions translates into "marching orders" or "shilling".

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
16. but they don't just have good working relationships with non-profits. Building coalitions with
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:56 PM
Dec 2016

big money is a farce. It is continuing to believe in the face of contrasting evidence that you can get big money to do the right thing without giving them something they want even more. You can only sell them on needing to do it if there are pitch-forks at the gates, and the Democrats aren't rallying crowds with the pitchforks. Without that, all wheeling and dealing has to operate according to the terms of the people who hold the resources and the power. This strategy has continued to enrich them. Whether it has helped the poor and middle class to a far lesser extent or not, the preponderance of gains have continued to go to the top 1%, and that money and power has then been used against us by continuing to corrupt our system, our media, our voting integrity.

Those who keep thinking we can win by playing nice with the aristocracy are the ones who are naive.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. Sounds like you're happy they'll be pitchforks in our future?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:00 PM
Dec 2016

And yeah- people on our side damned well DID denigrate important work with non profits instead of supporting t. Because they have a utopian vision someday those non profits won't be needed. (Bus- put us under it)


I'm not falling for the dishonest crap about all "establishment" being inherently corrupt. It was a
Losing strategy in the primaries as well as the general election. The influence of big money is going to happen through elections, not some fantasy uprising.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
18. Do you really believe that change can come about from the inside? What is the impetus for that
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:33 PM
Dec 2016

change?

No doubt, we need people inside who want to effect change, but they are powerless to do so without a convincing argument that the people up in their tower need to change. Generally that convincing argument is something like pitchforks, or the threat of pitchforks. I'd rather the castle not get stormed, because revolutions tend to replace what existed with something just as bad or worse, but our system of government IS corrupt. Our democratic leadership isn't equipped or clean enough to call it out on the other side. Whether they have better intentions than the GOP is not at issue. Whether they are getting us closer to those goals is.

what is a losing strategy is pretending that we can keep playing the game the way it has been rigged to be played, and get better results.

But what is dishonest about saying money corrupts...that politicians need money to run and favor not to be destroyed by a corporate owned media? Isn't there something dishonest about saying that our democratic leaders are above these primal forces? Do you really believe that they are?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. I think some are honest and others not so much. I also think what some see as dishonest or not
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:53 PM
Dec 2016

Working for the common good is about serving their community and/or state. By it's very nature I think it's wrongheaded to expect that all decisions are egalitarian as they do have to balance the needs of the citizens with those of the companies employing them and other players in the communities for the best win-win scenario.

I think this past election was a "pitchfork" moment, and thats kind of what we get when we put personality above good policy. Too much emphasis on "saviors" and "outsiders" this year- we bought into the myth that all government is bad government. And by we, I mean a sizable chunk of lefties too.

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