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Renaissance Man

(675 posts)
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:22 PM Dec 2016

The signs were there. They've been there since 2008.

I've probably posted about the results of the 2016 Presidential election about three times, primarily in Progressive online social media groups. What I've seen, Postmortem, is kind of typical, but the level of outright denial at what some Democratic voters fail to acknowledge is kind of interesting, especially viewing it from the premise of being a Democratic voter of color.

From 2008-2016, we had a President and First Lady that was the embodiment of the best of America. As a country, we thought, naively, that we were post-racial. We thought that we'd been introduced to our better selves. 2016 gave us a reminder that, as a nation, we could go from being a country led by a former constitutional law professor and an equally brilliant wife, to one that's being led by someone fundamentally ignorant about the Constitution and has a wife whose nude photographs can be accessed via Google.

Ask yourself these questions, tonight:

Could Barack Obama have been elected President having five children by three different women?

Could Barack Obama have been fundamentally ignorant about the Constitution or the responsibilities and duties of the office of the President and have been elected?

Could Michelle Obama have become First Lady with nude photos easily accessible via search engine?

I think you know where I'm going with this. America places an enormously different standard on women and people of color while simultaneously catering to white males, white supremacy, and white privilege. When we get to the point where we become honest about that elephant in the room, I don't honestly think we can move forward.

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The signs were there. They've been there since 2008. (Original Post) Renaissance Man Dec 2016 OP
Line from "Being There": no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #1
One of my favorite movie lines!! ailsagirl Dec 2016 #13
"Could Michelle Obama have become First Lady with nude photos easily accessible via search engine?" 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #2
Big ass K/R! progressoid Dec 2016 #3
VERY IMPORTANT POINT. remember the debates where Hillary did very well JI7 Dec 2016 #4
Trump supporters were sold a bill of goods sheshe2 Dec 2016 #5
The white backlash has been building for years. The Tea Party engine was run on bigotry. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #6
Do you think it's possible Kanye West could become Prez? I do Dems to Win Dec 2016 #7
no. a black man who behaves that way would never be acceptable JI7 Dec 2016 #8
Paris Hilton, though, might have a shot. She'd just need to be overt with the bigotry. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #9
she is female so probably not. palin was held to a higher standard than trump JI7 Dec 2016 #10
Palin was held to only modest standards NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #23
With the added bonus of having easily accessible hardcore pornography of her out in the wild. TransitJohn Dec 2016 #12
I'd vote for him wit Liz Warren or Kamala Harris on the ticket. Yeezy's a rich anti-globalist. ancianita Dec 2016 #14
But then we would have ... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #17
After Melania set the standard? Hahahaha.... Yeah, you're right. Tabloids say they've split, though. ancianita Dec 2016 #20
You know Kanye publicly supported Trump right? forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #21
no I did not, thanks for the info. Oops Dems to Win Dec 2016 #22
You're right... but the rethugs actually started this BS in 1992 Texin Dec 2016 #11
But change, especially when it's significant, is not linear ailsagirl Dec 2016 #15
unfortunately NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #24
My wife was reading excerpts of a book to me last night... kentuck Dec 2016 #16
You forgot one: Could Barack Obama have been elected if he fathered a child out of wedlock? (eom) StevieM Dec 2016 #18
And here's another: Could Hillary Clinton--or Elizabeth Warren--have been elected if they had StevieM Dec 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author RonniePudding Dec 2016 #25
Exactly. The revenge of the angry white working class won't know they've been had until Obama is... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #26

no_hypocrisy

(48,689 posts)
1. Line from "Being There":
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:29 PM
Dec 2016

[With other poor black seniors, watching Chance on TV]
Louise: It's for sure a white man's world in America. Look here: I raised that boy since he was the size of a piss-ant. And I'll say right now, he never learned to read and write. No, sir. Had no brains at all. Was stuffed with rice pudding between th' ears. Shortchanged by the Lord, and dumb as a jackass. Look at him now! Yes, sir, all you've gotta be is white in America, to get whatever you want. Gobbledy-gook!

3catwoman3

(25,397 posts)
2. "Could Michelle Obama have become First Lady with nude photos easily accessible via search engine?"
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:52 PM
Dec 2016

A very good question, and we certainly know the answer. No way in hell, right? Same answer for the other questios that you posed.

3W is my term for Mrs. Trump III. Her girl-on-girl nude photos, and the bare-assed-in-a-thong one on the airplane wing, brandshing a pistol no less, do not seem like art or "modeling" to me. They are examples of a woman selling her nude body for money. There are a couple of words for that, neither of which are "modeling."

JI7

(90,462 posts)
4. VERY IMPORTANT POINT. remember the debates where Hillary did very well
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 05:02 PM
Dec 2016

But media kept going on about how trump did well the first 20 minutes. And it wasn't when that he did well but he was so bad the rest they had to give him credit for thise few minutes.

sheshe2

(87,309 posts)
5. Trump supporters were sold a bill of goods
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 05:14 PM
Dec 2016

and they could not buy into it fast enough. Why? Just so they could hold onto their white privilege a little bit longer. You are correct, we can't move forward until that standard is addressed and don't see that happening anytime soon.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
6. The white backlash has been building for years. The Tea Party engine was run on bigotry.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 05:24 PM
Dec 2016

Throughout US history, there's been a white backlash in response to racial progress, including the election and re-election of Obama (and policies like DACA). Still, I had convinced myself that the electoral map was favorable enough that Clinton would win. In spite of the FBI's interference, in spite of voter suppression, in spite of millions of people subscribing to patently false beliefs, in spite of a pathetic media that promotes false equivalencies and only cares about ratings, in spite of it being rare for the same party to control the White House for more than 2 consecutive terms.

But I've never been under the illusion that the US is post-racial. And anyone who thought we were is ignorant beyond belief. The denial of racism (as well as sexism) and white privilege is a constant. As I pointed out in my essay, Tim Wise writes, "Indeed, as far back as 1963, before there was a Civil Rights Act to outlaw even the most blatant racial discrimination, sixty percent of whites said that blacks were treated equally in their communities. In 1962, only eight years after the Brown decision outlawed segregation in the nation’s schools (but well before schools had moved to integrate or equalize their classrooms), a stunning eighty-four percent of whites were convinced that blacks had equal educational opportunity. In other words, white denial of the racism problem is nothing new: it was entrenched even when this nation operated under a formal system of apartheid."

I encourage folks to get deeply involved in local racial justice organizations in your area. And educate yourself on oppression theory, structural inequality as opposed to individual attitudes, white privilege, etc. Where I live there's a branch of the NAACP, numerous immigrant rights organizations, a Racial Justice Organizing Committee, and so on.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
7. Do you think it's possible Kanye West could become Prez? I do
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 05:29 PM
Dec 2016

He'd be the equal of the donald in all those ways (well, i don't think he has ex-wives). He's talked about running.

I understand the heartbreaking contrast between Obama and trump's demeanor. How could America do this?

I'm not 100% sure it's all about race. Celebrity means A LOT in America. I live in the state that elected The Terminator as governor.

If Kanye runs and has a good program, I'll be tempted to vote for him in the Dem primary, because he's got the star status to allow us to WIN!

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
9. Paris Hilton, though, might have a shot. She'd just need to be overt with the bigotry.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 05:47 PM
Dec 2016

She's every bit as qualified as Trump. Or maybe one of those Duck Dynasty guys will run.

NewJeffCT

(56,840 posts)
23. Palin was held to only modest standards
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 05:16 PM
Dec 2016

I mean, after embarrassing herself before journalistic titan Katie Couric, she decided to stop talking to the press outside of Fox News.

Trump was basically held to no standard at all. Heck, it was so bad, even Fox News commented about how Trump was held to much lower standards.

TransitJohn

(6,933 posts)
12. With the added bonus of having easily accessible hardcore pornography of her out in the wild.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:21 PM
Dec 2016

Great candidate!

ancianita

(38,402 posts)
14. I'd vote for him wit Liz Warren or Kamala Harris on the ticket. Yeezy's a rich anti-globalist.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:30 PM
Dec 2016


Trump will have outsourced governing such that anyone could take his place.

What the hell...

3catwoman3

(25,397 posts)
17. But then we would have ...
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:28 PM
Dec 2016

...Kim Kardashian as First Trollop.

No thanks. We are close enough to that come January.

ancianita

(38,402 posts)
20. After Melania set the standard? Hahahaha.... Yeah, you're right. Tabloids say they've split, though.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:42 PM
Dec 2016

Photos of naked Kim are gross and numerous.

Texin

(2,647 posts)
11. You're right... but the rethugs actually started this BS in 1992
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:18 PM
Dec 2016

This is how they realized they could logjam the entire wheels of government. Gingrich began this in '94, but the Clintons were targeted and the Washington insiders tried to de-legitimize them as well and dwindling numbers of Dems in the House began the process of solidifying the rethug stranglehold on America to this day. After the economic collapse of 2008, I would have thought that the rethugs and their destruction of the economy would have made them radioactive for several generations of voters, but I was wrong. McConnell and his cabal simply double-downed on the Gingrich tactic and cretins like DJtRump just began to hammer on President Obama being an "other", not legal, etc. You keep telling stupid people what they want to hear - or simply what they hear - long enough, people start believing the shit. They kept hammering every alleged wrongdoing by the Clintons for the past 25 years or more, and it did permanent damage to them. These rethugs are the simply trying to finally do what they've been promising their Plutocrat masters since The New Deal (and even before that to be honest): totally destroy the Federal government, and most specifically, any social program ever instituted to help the people and to broaden and solidify democracy for all its citizens. They've won. There won't be any going back from this now. Not ever.

ailsagirl

(23,787 posts)
15. But change, especially when it's significant, is not linear
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:34 PM
Dec 2016

It's like the Dow-- it reaches highs and then it plummets-- but the trend is always upward.

Take President Obama.

That we nominated him and that he won was a huge leap forward-- and plus he succeeded as one of the best presidents ever. Now we're sliding backward. But that "glass ceiling" has been shattered forever.

Our country is going through growing pains-- so much change yet so many regressives who fight it tooth and nail.

Two steps forward, one step back...

Whether we're referring to gender or racial equality, I believe the trend is ever forward.

IMHO

NewJeffCT

(56,840 posts)
24. unfortunately
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 05:20 PM
Dec 2016

for a lot of Americans, a right wing supreme court could set them back decades. So, while the country is becoming more open on social issues, it may take a long time for the actual laws to follow now.

kentuck

(112,695 posts)
16. My wife was reading excerpts of a book to me last night...
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:37 PM
Dec 2016

It was a book of the diary notes of William Shirer when he was in Berlin and Nuremburg in 1934.

Hitler had been in power for a couple of years and he was making the rounds on his rallies.

It was sometime in August of 1934 and Hitler came into Nuremburg and the swastika flags covered all the nice architecture and soldiers goose-stepped in pride for their esteemed Fuhrer. Men in uniforms were asking for identifications, etc.

It did not take long for Hitler to consolidate his program.

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

StevieM

(10,539 posts)
19. And here's another: Could Hillary Clinton--or Elizabeth Warren--have been elected if they had
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:03 AM
Dec 2016

five children from three different fathers, one of whom was born out of wedlock?

Response to Renaissance Man (Original post)

Tarheel_Dem

(31,443 posts)
26. Exactly. The revenge of the angry white working class won't know they've been had until Obama is...
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 05:56 PM
Dec 2016

long gone, and I don't much care what happens to them.

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