The argument that White male Obama voters...

[NCTraveler]

Last edited Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Turned around and came out for Trump because of his economic message this time around has been completely destroyed. It's as false as a narrative can be. The narrative is being pushed by the exact same group who were flailing all around throughout the primary when it came to excusing a monolithic campaign that ignored the concerns of the Democratic base.

Women, POC, LGBQT.... all underrepresented in government from dog catcher up and we are now being lectured to on how more resources need to be devoted to getting the conservative and uneducated white male vote. These people scream Manchin from the rooftops as an example of why the party is so bad and too far to the right all while wanting to coddle conservative white males.

The number of white males who voted for Obama and then Trump cannot be quantified. Even if it could we know the numbers are small. We also know that small number cannot be explained by the bullshit claim it was Trumps economic message.

They are also a statistically diminishing breed. We have larger numbers to go after. Clinton ran an excellent campaign, it is a fools game claiming she did not have an economic message for white rural voters and that she didn't deliver it. It was a regular topic in her speaches. If anything more resources should have been allocated toward the shifting party base. Those who are being systemically oppressed.

And for the meme that I'm claiming Clinton can do no wrong, you've read that no where in my writings. I've never discussed her in terms of once being a carpenter.

[Squinch]

1. .

[still_one]

2. The only thing that I am aware of is that people who voted for Trump were well aware of his

positions on racism, sexism, and xenophobia.

People should be able to draw their own conclusions from that

[etherealtruth]

4. Touche

[SidDithers]

3. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Wounded Bear]

5. K & R ...... nt

[sheshe2]

6. Thank you, NCTraveler.

Wish I could rec this a million times.

[sheshe2]

7. Kick!

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

8. At 9:45 in this video you meet an Obama voting family that voted Trump

That whole family of Obama voters voted for Trump this time.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/01/van_jones_on_the_view_democrats_have_a_problem_with_elitism_give_trump_a_chance_but_not_a_pass.html


People need to watch the whole video and listen to Van Jones...he is RIGHT.

[Dems to Win]

9. Luv Van Jones, I wish he'd run for DNC Chair

Great video. If Democrats ever want to win, everyone needs to listen to Van.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

10. He's awesome! He'd be good in the position. Howard Dean would be good to come back too

His 50 state approach is what is NEEDED.

Van is so right about the elitism in the Democratic Party. That attitude has turned many off and is responsible for driving rural voters straight to the GOP.

To be honest, that elitism attitude is a form of bigotry...with certain members looking down on and thinking they are better than others. It's disgusting and just as offensive as any other form of bigotry. It needs to stop.

[NCTraveler]

11. That video does absolutely nothing to bolster the argument...

Or the false narrative being presented by some.

[yeoman6987]

12. Ok. So how do you explain 200 counties across the country that voted for president obama

Now voted for trump?

[andym]

13. It's the number of Obama voters that voted Trump that are of concern

not necessarily just white males. But your post lacks evidence, here is some for you regarding Obama voters who voted Trump.

These former Obama strongholds sealed the election for Trump
By Kevin Uhrmacher, Kevin Schaul and Dan Keating
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/

"Across swing states — and others previously thought to be safe for Democrats — Trump colored dozens of counties red that hadn’t gone Republican in decades.
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Of the nearly 700 counties that twice sent Obama to the White House, a stunning one-third flipped to support Trump.
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Trump also won 194 of the 207 counties that voted for Obama either in 2008 or 2012.
By contrast, of those 2,200 counties that never supported Obama, Clinton was only able to win six. That’s just 0.3 percent crossover to the Democratic side."

Trump counties where:
Obama won twice -- dark orange
Obama won once -- light orange
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[NCTraveler]

15. You are arguing two unconectable items. Nt

[andym]

16. No I am not. I am describing the real concern which are potential voters who switched.

some white male voters are a subset of voters who switched. Your logic is flawed. Of course, it is possible to approximate how many voters did the switch by a combination of corrected exit polls and actual vote numbers per location. Breakdown by ethnicity is possible as well. Because it is statistical it will not be 100% accurate, but the data will have a confidence margin strong enough to draw conclusions. Your post has no data, just statements of "fact" without support, and therefore is itself completely unsupported.

[mcar]

14. K&R

[EffieBlack]

17. YOU are my hero!!!