2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI have to pay for my TRUMP voting cousin's groceries this month
See? Now go ahead and ask me why he voted for Trump.
Why?
Because he wants Trump to build the wall to keep Mexicans from getting food stamps. He cannot get food stamps because he already gets too much support through SSI, section 8, Adult Public Assistance, medicaid and medicare, the heating program, and vouchers from a few other organizations.
But he hates the idea of them damn MEXICANS getting a few hundred bucks in food stamps.
He gets about 2500 in help through his various programs he spends his days googling. He works about 20 hours a week besides.
Could he afford his lifestyle and to eat? Sure. But he'd have to give up his brand new SUV with dark tint and new rims with five screens and all that bumping bass to do so. And stop flying to Cali 4 times a year.
Easier to blame mexicans and find a DUMB ASS DEMOCRAT to fix shit while he fucks it up.
So I will buy food out of my little bit of personal cash to feed his skinny ass while he dreams of snatching EBT cards from Mexicans.
metroins
(2,550 posts)They voted Trump, even though the GOP is going to cut their social services.
It is stupidity.
These people are just plain stupid.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And my uncle too. But they are delighted that Trump is going to save them from mexicans. Fucked up thing is we are black and HISPANIC.
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)He drives trucks and is highly religious. He likes that Trump will get Mexicans off the roads and bring jobs back. I haven't pried because every conversation ends with a Clinton joke, but I wonder how he balances Trumps racism. He and his wife were Mitt Romney'smonly two votes in my precinct, BTW, so this is more a Republican thing than a Trump thing.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Some black folks actually blame other black fols too, and think it's the 'bad blacks' that make the rest of us look bad. Just like that guy with the taco truck comments.
ananda
(30,827 posts)But it's not going to happen.
What will happen is that will lose any vestige of a
safety net that they depend on now.
Hard times a comin doesn't even begin to describe it.
I would give anything to see the look on my tRumplover fundie BIL's face when Uncle Sam hands him a $1500 voucher for his next bypass.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)madaboutharry
(41,362 posts)You must have the heart of a saint to be willing to help him. He sounds like a NOT very good person.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He was the band of my childhood but he had a transplant and rejected the organ. I have to feed him, he could die. But he is still an evil bastard. But liberals feed even the evil. I better do it this morning, or I might skip it all together.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I pray he wakes up to reality someday soon. You are the nicest person on earth to me at the moment. No lie.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)That's above and beyond. I get that his health is at risk, but someone (you?) needs to sit him down and force him to listen to some simple home truths.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)some cheap labor for you for that cash you dole out to him by his reality
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)I am sure Comrade Casino and his cabal of deploreable Republican Cronies will teach him that lesson by kicking his support under their freakkin gold-plated casino bus.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)LisaL
(46,612 posts)While he is driving around in his new SUV and is visiting CA four times a year.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)DFW
(56,579 posts)On second thought, don't answer that.........
bravenak
(34,648 posts)DFW
(56,579 posts)I'm glad I'm not the one who had to make your choice.
Die of starvation, or die of lack of SUV, if both are equally terminal to him, he is a medical marvel.
Crunchy Frog
(26,984 posts)I wonder if we'll see alot of that during the Trump regime. Shrivelled up mummies inside fancy, expensive SUVs.
I have watched him in organ failure. No. He did wake up to make sure to ask about his car. But not to tell me his dog was home alone inside with no food or water. He'd die before he gave his reason for existing up. Just like some folks are about their guns. Crazy
kimbutgar
(23,300 posts)I'd tell him that he should be a good rethug and take care of himself. Because he has to pull himself up by the bootstraps. No more government hand outs. Have you ever pointed out his hypocrisy to him ?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)My sister, whom I love very much, does the same kind of shit. She and her husband work hard, but they are not high-paying jobs.
My sister finally admitted to me that she voted for Trump. Her reason? Her health insurance is too expensive. OFFS...
Last week, she and I finally had a confrontation. On the same day, within THREE HOURS she posted that she can't afford health insurance, AND posted pics of her and her husband's (my BIL) new matching Harley Davidsons. Custom paint!
Talk about entitlement....
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts).. but I admit I can't think of her the same way any more...
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I'd tell him to start budgeting his ass
WhiteTara
(30,174 posts)I would smile and tell him that you are not able to do these things for him and that by working on his own problem, he will have satisfaction of knowing that he is part of making Amerikkka great again.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)LisaM
(28,609 posts)he won't be able to even drive that SUV.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,918 posts)Seriously, why would you do such a thing (buy groceries) when you say he can afford them himself?
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Please don't take offense at the question, it just seems like your cousin isn't deserving or appreciative of your generosity.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I am related to them. They were not raised that way and my 92 year old aunt is Appalled at their behavior and their vote.
Other parts of my family who voted for him claim other reasons but the ones in PA admit the real reason.
Luckily my immediate family here in Brooklyn are all Democrats.
My Facebook experience this year has not been pleasant. The only reason I keep FB is to make sure no one died.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)I just always imagined that most rascist people are rascists because they were raised that way. From one generation to the next. Their whole family is rascist so that is all they know? How did only a few of your family BECOME rascist? Friends? Gangs..in this case, kkk?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The only thing I can think of they originally lived in a block on Brooklyn that went from Italian to very diverse and they resented it. That is why they moved.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)And others become less tolerant.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)decades. For the most part they have settled nicely here but last night a Muslim female Cop and her son were threatened. They got a suspect and charged him but it goes to show you how some here haven't excepted the changes.
Vinca
(51,057 posts)I heard this morning that Ivanka is moving the manufacturing of her clothing from China (aka GHINA). She won't be having it made in Cincinnati or Raleigh or Detroit or Pittsburgh. Nope. She's moving it to Ethiopia. Make American great again.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,991 posts)He'll really become a billionaire because he's going to use the USA HE and his grifting families giant slush fund. Settling his debt with China and Russia and whomever he owes money to, and Russia will be on the rampage in whatever way they want to be over in Europe. Whose to stop them? Also, tRump's going to be selling off parts of the USA to the highest non-US bidder at an alarming rate.
This country will not resemble anything we know at this moment in 2016.
Your cousin will be in such debt/despair eventually that you won't be able to support him and yourself and you'll have to turn him loose to fend for himself unless YOU want to be on the street with him.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I try to warn people but they will not believe he could possibly be a con artist
ismnotwasm
(42,462 posts)Some of them have similar stories and are on Medicaid.
I, of course don't discuss politics with them, all I can do is shake my head
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Once I do I realize he watches fox news. I notice that the tv in all the medical places have fox as default. He is a very ill person so he is constantly in the hospital for dialysis problems or whatever. I try to remind him that everybody needs to be able to live, not just him. He calls me dumb, so
LenaBaby61
(6,991 posts)Your patient this time next year or the year after?
Oh well .....
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Same story with my cousins. Their asses are not skinny, but white. They live in farm country, where Mexicans are about the only people not on food stamps.
Croney
(4,925 posts)I'm so pissed at my daughter-in-law I could scream. She not only supports the orange idiot but also posts horrible hateful anti-Hillary memes. This is an unemployed (but able-bodied) woman who grabs any handout or free services she can get, and hates anybody who doesn't look and think like her. I've always been generous with my family. This year I'm seriously considering making a donation to Planned Parenthood in their names and giving them each a Hillshire Farms sausage and cheese box.
tavernier
(13,258 posts)And be sure to give them the thank you card from planned parenthood for their generous donation!!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I wont buy him anything for xmas. He is already getting what he's getting from me for a good long time
LisaL
(46,612 posts)has a brand new SUV (those aren't cheap). And has enough money to buy plane tickets four times a year.
All righty then.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,729 posts)Tell him he can budget better or go to the food pantry.
If he has a new SUV he can buy his own groceries. Pure and simple.
What you are doing is enabling him. Don't. Starting this month.
If someone else in the family wants to buy him groceries let them. But explain to them, and him, why you aren't doing it.
Dawson Leery
(19,372 posts)Cut them off. They must live by their words.
LenaBaby61
(6,991 posts)Something tells me that with 1 in 7 families nationwide depending on food banks/pantries across this country (And usage is currently at a record high), that number's going to go WAYYYYY up over the next 4 years under a pence/tRump/putin administration.
I have a friend whose donated her time for many years off and on working at the Los Angeles Regional Food Bank here in the LA County area, and she tells me that there are doing well. That donations come in steadily and that they usually have food on hand. However, she tells me that many in the food banking community are--and excuse my French--scared "shitless" at what this next administration will bring over the next 4 years and beyond. She's lifelong Catholic and cursing is not in her vocabulary, so it stunned me when she said shitless--and said it over and over again when we were talking a few weeks ago
I fully admit that I can be pretty pessimistic and very stark at times and for extended periods of time, but my friend has always been the optimist for not only me, but for our/her friends and family, and I/we love her so because she's never allowed me/us to get down or stay down emotionally. But, after what happened TO this country on November 8th, after that racist, crazy, insane dictator was put INTO the presidency, not only is her faith shaken, but many of her friends who work/volunteer in and around the food bank community that she corresponds with are pretty scared and sad because they feel austerity's coming and coming fast and hard to ALL food banks across this country. I can honestly say this is just about the first time that I've seen her negative and sullen like this for an extended period of time after an election, and I've known her for almost 28 years.
IF she's like this, then I KNOW I'm like
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)That happened.
nycbos
(6,361 posts)stopbush
(24,630 posts)by NOT spending a dime on his grocieries this month. Let him use the money he's saving to make those four trips to CA this year. Do us Californians a favor and keep him at home...please!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He gets on my nerves
JHan
(10,173 posts)People are telling me we should be empathetic and not insult them..
but it sucks you're caught up in this trap. The sacrifices we make for family... even when they do dumb shit.
Seriously, if he's such a bum, a little tough love maybe needed.
Hekate
(94,722 posts)Month after month and year after year, until the "loans" were about 20 grand.
I was emotionally stretched to the limit by other events and ended up screaming NO at the last request when I finally snapped. Had to explain to my husband that it would never make a difference; that in the future she would stagger on with the same behavior and the same emergencies, and there was nothing we could do to make it change.
Nothing has changed, except she decided the "loans" were a gift. Oh, and she doesn't like me.
The other change? She doesn't get to emotionally blackmail me any more.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)She loves to enable him. Loves it. She gets to play martyr. I refuse to happily hand it over.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)need of assistance would invariably explain how they need those benefits, unlike Blacks (sometimes using another word) and other minorities (back 35 years ago, the bigots had not targeted "Mexicans" for their hatred). It was hard not to say, screw you Ahole.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I get to be one of the 'good ones' so often I want to throw up. I have excellent elocution and they just love hearing me speak. Fucking gross when they accidentally say it out loud. I never know exactly what to say. I usually just say " No! Don't start that shit up, I do not have time right now." If I engage it can last hours. No. Just no.
Siwsan
(27,299 posts)And as hard as it may be, try to not consider this to be a handout, even though it is."
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Siwsan
(27,299 posts)Blind, misplaced hatred is so frustrating. I have a couple of cousins who fall into that category and I really don't have anything to do with them, anymore. The next time I see them will probably be at their funerals. Pretty sad, but I just can't deal with the ignorance.
radical noodle
(8,607 posts)I'm afraid he'd have to starve if he was my relative.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)A good person would not be planning what mean shit to say and plan on rubbing it in.
radical noodle
(8,607 posts)pbmus
(12,439 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)SharonAnn
(13,887 posts)For me, I've decided that I'm just enabling them, so I'm careful about who I support and which programs I support.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Squinch
(52,791 posts)Ilsa
(62,245 posts)Lobster and t-bones? Wine aisle? Sorry. I can't get past the SUV, but no groceries.
I'd get him some tuna, mac & cheese, pinto beans and peanut butter. No reason he can't survive on bland food until he learns to budget better. Or, maybe he could hook up with some great mexican cooks and learn to make his meals delicioso on a budget.
sabbat hunter
(6,895 posts)I wouldn't give him one thin dime until he sold the SUV. Maybe not even after that.