Bernies Press Secretary To Supporters: We Lost Fair & Square, ZERO Election Fraud

[Cha]

Symone D. Sanders
✔ ‎@SymoneDSanders
But let me be clear - NO ONE STOLE THIS ELECTION! Team Sanders we did AMAZING WORK. But we lost. It's a hard reality for some.
11:36 AM - 25 Jul 2016
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Symone D. Sanders
✔ ‎@SymoneDSanders
It was a hard reality for me. Because I fought hard. Now, we won some great battles, but the reality isthe system didn't cheat us.
11:38 AM - 25 Jul 2016
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Symone D. Sanders
✔ ‎@SymoneDSanders
Now the contents of the leaked emails show individuals were definitely biased, but 7 folks on an email didn't "steal" the election.
11:41 AM - 25 Jul 2016
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Symone D. Sanders
✔ ‎@SymoneDSanders
There are other qualms. Other valid arguments, but a stolen election is not one. I worked there. No one stole the election from us.
11:43 AM - 25 Jul 2016
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MORE~ http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/07/26/bernies-press-secretary-supporters-lost-fair-square-zero-election-fraud/

I wouldn't have posted this but some fans are trying to say BS lost because.. DNC. Not True.

[hueymahl]

1. Bernie's a class act. Thanks for posting.

Hopefully those blaiming Bernie for Hillary's Liss will remember we are all on the same side.

[Cha]

2. This is from his Press Sec Symone Sanders who is indeed

a class act.

Mahalo, hueymahl!

[hueymahl]

4. She's a class act too!

Posting from my cell. Didn't see the little pictures till you pointed it out. Thanks!

[George II]

95. I really appreciated her activities and statements throughout the General Election campaign....

....she was a great asset to the Clinton campaign.

[Cha]

96. Was she? I didn't realized that.. thank you for

telling that, George.

I can tell by her tweets that she's concerned about her country, its people, and our Planet.

Not selfish at all

[George II]

109. Make that "several", not "many". He didn't even start until about a week after Labor Day, after....

....he settled into his new home that he bought the day after the Convention.

[sheshe2]

3. Oh my!

Bernies Press Secretary To Supporters: We Lost Fair & Square, ZERO Election Fraud

If you can't trust your own press secretary who can you trust.

FAIR & SQUARE

Thank you Cha!

Brava to Symone.

[Cha]

5. Thank you, she.. I see this is being assidiously avoided.

Just wanted to get some facts out here but that's too tough I guess.

[sheshe2]

6. Some don't like facts Cha.

Sad that.

[Cha]

7. HA! It finally got

to 5, she!

Thank you so much for your part!

[sheshe2]

9. You Rock!

[Cha]

10. lol

[TexasTowelie]

8. K&R.

[Cha]

22. Gracias Texas! Of course Hillary WON the Primary Fair and Square

and here's BS' press Sec to verify.

[Hekate]

12. KnR

[Cha]

28. Mahalo, Hekate!

[George II]

13. Yeah, they say "because of the DNC", but who hacked the DNC and stole Clinton's voter contact info..

....months before the first primary/caucus occurred? We all know the answer.

I've mentioned this before, I never gave the Sanders campaign any of my contact information, but the first day AFTER the Sanders hack of Clinton's DNC voter data I started getting 2, 3, as many as FIVE emails every day from the Sanders campaign.

[think]

14. The DNC & NGP VAN RECOMMENDED Josh Uretsky who was guy who screwed up.

“It’s not as if we conjured this guy Josh from thin air. This is an individual … who was recommended to us by the DNC and NGP VAN," the adviser told Yahoo News.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-adviser-dnc-josh-uretsky

Sanders fired that employee and there was never any intent to access the data for any nefarious purpose. This was a result of the SECOND firewall breach that was the error of the companies in charge of the data base. The first time it occurred the Sanders campaigned warned the company DNC that the firewall was down.

“Our campaign months ago alerted the DNC to the fact that campaign data was being made available to other campaigns. At that time our campaign did not run to the media, relying instead on assurances from the vendor," Sanders campaign spokesman Michael Briggs told ABC News.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/263730-report-sanders-campaign-told-dnc-of-data-issue-months-ago

Uretsky shouldn't have accessed the data and he screwed up but Bernie Sanders had NOTHING to do with that poor decision.

This is an employee that the DNC AND the company that ran the data base recommended. This was not someone that was a long time supporter of Bernie. Are we to beleive that an employee the DNC and NGP VAN recommended just a few months earlier is now part of some nefarious plot against them? Seriously?

[CajunBlazer]

18. Let's just say that neither side committed acts which...

...biased the nomination process to the extent that they affected the outcome of the election, and that's a good thing. Our election process is just fine; one of the best in the world if you don't count Republican attempts at voter suppression.

Hillary didn't win the nomination because of elections shenanigans and she didn't lose the general election because of election fraud either. Enough of the damn conspiracy theories. Some folks on this board are starting to act like right fringe conspiracy theorists and that not a group that anyone wants to be compared with.

[Exilednight]

91. I wouldn't agree with that. Super Delegates are a biased system. For everyone calling for the end

of the EC, then they need to be calling for the end of Super Delegates too. If not, then they're hypocrites.

[CajunBlazer]

105. Super delegates might have kept Trump from occupying the White House

If they Republicans had been smart enough to institute the system. That's why the system exists in the Democratic Party - to kept to keep an uprising by the rank and file of the party from nominating someone who has no chance of becoming President of the United States or because of character or other issues has no right to occupy the White House.

As it was the Super Delegates never hurt Bernie - instead the system prolonged his candidacy into the convention when it could have, probably should have been dead long before.

[Exilednight]

108. That's some far reaching you have going on.

Please explain how Bernie, who only received a handful of SDs managed to prolong his candidacy because of them?

Every delegate count that was shown included Hillary's SD count and put her further ahead than she was in the voter delegate count.

[FourScore]

32. I have been gone from DU for a long time. In the meantime,

The Bernie bashing has turned into Bernie blaming.

None of it helps to reconcile and reunify the party. It's so sad.

[Maru Kitteh]

48. Huh. Interesting. I guess you never saw the Hillary bashing, and maybe you choose to ignore

the Hillary blaming?

None of it helps to reconcile and reunify the party. It's so sad.

[Cha]

54. BS Fired 4 Staffers..

When the data breaches came to light Bernie immediately fired 4 staffers who were believed to have committed the hacking. (Yes, hacking, Claiming it was a ‘vulnerable firewall” means they went looking for it and breaching it once they found it is hacking). Bernie, to his credit, did not tolerate, even for a minute, the actions of the 4 individuals that allegedly improperly accessed confidential information belonging solely to Hillary Clinton. What Bernie got upset at was that the DNC cut off his access to the database for 24 hours while they investigated the breach.

And BS apologized to her.

snip//

Pesky Source I:

"The independent investigation by CrowdStrike,” agreed upon by the Sanders campaign and the DNC, “identified evidence of unauthorized access via four user accounts from the Bernie 2016 campaign. All unauthorized access occurred during a one-hour period from 10:41 to 11:42 EST on December 16, 2015.”

Pesky Source III:

The move came Friday as the DNC released its independent investigation of the breach , which confirmed much of what was already known about the event. During the breach, Sanders staffers accessed proprietary voter data owned by the campaign of front-runner Hillary Clinton. They conducted 25 searches over an hour. (Evan Halper: LA Times, Washington, April 30, 2016 at 3:05 p.m. )

Wait!

Are all of these sources saying the Sanders’ campaign did improperly access Hillary’s computer information? That the Sanders’ campaign did access 25 of Hillary’s files involving 11 states? That the Sanders’ campaign did download polling data about Hillary’s alleged “enthusiasm gap that they have been hawking since January?” Thank goodness it was only 4 “staffers” in the Sanders’ campaign that he immediately fired. Bernie did the right thing the moment he heard about it and he did it decisively when it happened

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/30/1521790/-Bernie-Vindicated-but-Not-His-Campaign-Staff

[think]

73. Uretsky was recommended by the DNC and NGP VAN. The breach occurred because of NGP VAN

failure.

Only Uretsky and one other stafter were let go. Uretsky created the other two accounts:

After one Sanders account gained access to the Clinton data, the audits show, that user began sharing permissions with other Sanders users. The staffers who secured access to the Clinton data included Uretsky and his deputy, Russell Drapkin. The two other usernames that viewed Clinton information were “talani" and "csmith_bernie," created by Uretsky's account after the breach began.

The logs show that the Vermont senator’s team created at least 24 lists during the 40-minute breach, which started at 10:40 a.m., and saved those lists to their personal folders. The Sanders searches included New Hampshire lists related to likely voters, "HFA Turnout 60-100" and "HFA Support 50-100," that were conducted and saved by Uretsky. Drapkin's account searched for and saved lists including less likely Clinton voters, "HFA Support <30" in Iowa, and "HFA Turnout 30-70"' in New Hampshire.

Despite audit logs, Weaver said at the news conference that NGP VAN has told the campaign that no Clinton data was printed or downloaded.


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files

And this is your big scandal regarding Bernie. An employee recommended by the DNC tried to prove that a breach had occurred for a SECOND time and that was a mistake. There was NOTHING sinister about what occurred.

Bernie was not cheating. Meanwhile the DNC on the other hand has been exposed for it's actions that lead to resignations of DWS and other top officers.

[George II]

75. So? Yes, we've heard that a number of times. That doesn't mean he DIDN'T hack....

....into the DNC database and zero in on Clinton's voter data, stealing thousands of records.

This summer my friend recommended a carpenter to us to do some work. In your eyes that means he was then free to break into our house and steal?

[think]

77. Uretsky didn't hack anything. The company left the firewall down AGAIN. No data was downloaded

you're making a flawed analogy to make it look like this was some sinister attempt.

Sanders campaign warned the DNC the first time it happened. Uretsky made the bad mistake of trying to show evidence that the wall was down and data was vulnerable. It was wrong but he didn't download any data and the Sanders campaign never had any intention of taking the data to use it in a nefarious way.


Again. Nothing was stolen Uretsky was hired just a couple months before this on the DNCs recommendations and the recommendations of the company who failed to maintain the firewall.

[George II]

78. When one accessed data without permission and copied it, that person stole the data.

You should check into this more thoroughly, the four people involved did download data.

If it wasn't a "sinister" attempt, why did the four each spend about two hours in the system? If Uretsky was just trying to show that the data was vulnerable, he could have done that in five minutes by himself.

If nothing was "stolen" or downloaded, why did I coincidentally begin receiving emails from the Sanders Campaign (who I never contacted before that) at an email address that I only used for political purposes?

Chronology:

The data was hacked on December 16 last year.

The first email I received from Sanders' campaign, via "Democracy for America", was December 17.

The second was December 18 - here is the first half of it:

"The Democratic National Committee just did the unthinkable: Only a few short weeks before Iowa, they've completely shut down the Sanders campaign's access to the DNC's 50 state voter file -- all because of a security error made by a third party vendor.

There is simply no excuse for this. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC know who was responsible for the problem, but they chose to attack the campaign that discovered it rather than hold the vendor responsible. And as a result, they've completely crippled the Sanders campaign's ability to do voter outreach in the run up to the first major vote of the presidential contest.

This is more than a mistake on the part of the DNC -- it is a direct attack on the democratic process. Tell Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC to give access to the voter file back to the Sanders campaign immediately.

The voter file contains contact information about potential Democratic primary voters across the country. Campaigns rely on it to conduct their get-out-the-vote efforts. By taking away access to the voter file, the DNC has crippled the Sanders campaign and its ability to mobilize grassroots activists to identify supporters."

They were locked and loaded with this when they went into the database.

[think]

80. I started receiving emails from Hillary's campaign at the same time. Imagine that.

And I never signed up either.

And Uretsky created 2 of the four accounts as part of his effort to show that the breach was real. So he was responsible for 3 of the 4 accounts. Only one other person was involved and they let that person goes as well.

After one Sanders account gained access to the Clinton data, the audits show, that user began sharing permissions with other Sanders users. The staffers who secured access to the Clinton data included Uretsky and his deputy, Russell Drapkin. The two other usernames that viewed Clinton information were “talani" and "csmith_bernie," created by Uretsky's account after the breach began.

The logs show that the Vermont senator’s team created at least 24 lists during the 40-minute breach, which started at 10:40 a.m., and saved those lists to their personal folders. The Sanders searches included New Hampshire lists related to likely voters, "HFA Turnout 60-100" and "HFA Support 50-100," that were conducted and saved by Uretsky. Drapkin's account searched for and saved lists including less likely Clinton voters, "HFA Support <30" in Iowa, and "HFA Turnout 30-70"' in New Hampshire.

Despite audit logs, Weaver said at the news conference that NGP VAN has told the campaign that no Clinton data was printed or downloaded.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files

Meanwhile what the DNC did was deliberate and documented including choosing to spread a FALSE news story COVERTLY to smear Bernie Sanders supporters. Yes. That's right. The DNC even chose to smear Democratic voters with a false story claiming they were violent:

DNC Communications Director Ordered Anti-Sanders Article Be Shared 'Without Attribution'

Hannah Gold - 07/23/16 05:30PM
Filed to: DNC HACK


On Friday, Wikileaks published an email exchange between Western Regional Communicators Director for the Democratic Party Walter Garcia and DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda, in which Miranda requests an article critical of Bernie Sanders be covertly shared, “without attribution” to the DNC.



https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756968126001115136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


The article, by Nevada political reporter Jon Ralston, pushed a narrative that Bernie Sanders supporters were becoming violent and out of control and that Sanders was partly responsible.

The article was published on May 17, one day after the New York Times reported that Sanders supporters threw chairs at the Nevada Democratic Party’s convention and threatened the convention’s chairwoman, Roberta Lange.

http://gawker.com/dnc-communications-director-ordered-anti-sanders-articl-1784191906

And again. The story wasn't even true:

http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

[George II]

94. Here's a link to the actual logs:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PSBeQvNakGxuty36ACPFNaNLNeoqgz2Pn7e2x0VMYds/edit

There were four users. The times those users were logged on were:

10:46 to 11:41 (55 minutes)
10:43 to 12:24 (101 minutes)
10:40 to 12:14 (94 minutes)
10:59 to 11:25 (26 minutes)

That's a total of 276 minutes, more than four and a half hours.

In the real world "saving" data lists is "downloading". It's curious that the states in which they spent the most time were the early primary/caucus states.

Not only did Uretsky, et. al., create four users, he also granted access to the data those four users "saved" to two other users that already existed as well as himself and "talani", presumably for later use had they not been caught.

Look at it this way, "hey, we robbed the bank and hid the money in XXXX, go get it when you get a chance"!

[Cha]

93. Ohhhhh! They should have thought of that before they hacked

Hillary's data.

[Cha]

49. Damn.. come to think of it I was all of a sudden getting emails from BS, too.. I had to

write them to cut it out and they didn't so I blocked them as SPAM.

Thanks for the reminder, George.. coincidence? nah.

BS' crew hacked the DNC and it's the DNC's fault? BULLSHIT

[Cha]

55. And, BS Fired 4 Staffers and Apologized to Hillary..

When the data breaches came to light Bernie immediately fired 4 staffers who were believed to have committed the hacking. (Yes, hacking, Claiming it was a ‘vulnerable firewall” means they went looking for it and breaching it once they found it is hacking). Bernie, to his credit, did not tolerate, even for a minute, the actions of the 4 individuals that allegedly improperly accessed confidential information belonging solely to Hillary Clinton. What Bernie got upset at was that the DNC cut off his access to the database for 24 hours while they investigated the breach.

And BS apologized to her.

snip//

Pesky Source I:

"The independent investigation by CrowdStrike,” agreed upon by the Sanders campaign and the DNC, “identified evidence of unauthorized access via four user accounts from the Bernie 2016 campaign. All unauthorized access occurred during a one-hour period from 10:41 to 11:42 EST on December 16, 2015.”

Pesky Source III:

The move came Friday as the DNC released its independent investigation of the breach , which confirmed much of what was already known about the event. During the breach, Sanders staffers accessed proprietary voter data owned by the campaign of front-runner Hillary Clinton. They conducted 25 searches over an hour. (Evan Halper: LA Times, Washington, April 30, 2016 at 3:05 p.m. )

Wait!

Are all of these sources saying the Sanders’ campaign did improperly access Hillary’s computer information? That the Sanders’ campaign did access 25 of Hillary’s files involving 11 states? That the Sanders’ campaign did download polling data about Hillary’s alleged “enthusiasm gap that they have been hawking since January?” Thank goodness it was only 4 “staffers” in the Sanders’ campaign that he immediately fired. Bernie did the right thing the moment he heard about it and he did it decisively when it happened

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/30/1521790/-Bernie-Vindicated-but-Not-His-Campaign-Staff

[George II]

76. Good information that seems to be forgotten by some.

[lunamagica]

15. Of course there was no election fraud...just another baseless smear on Hillary

[Cha]

53. Gracias, lunamagica!

[BobbyDrake]

16. A day late and a dollar short, if you ask me.

Real "courage" would have been saying that before the convention, on a televised interview.

[SunSeeker]

20. Exactly. nt

[Cha]

74. It would have been much better timing, Bobby..

Thank you!

[FourScore]

17. Isn't she the one who was established as a DNC mole and asked to leave? n/t

[SunSeeker]

23. Enough with the bullshit conspiracy theories!

[FourScore]

27. There is so much denial here at DU. The real reason for Hillary's loss truly evades you.

In undermining Bernie Sanders' campaign, the Democrats have proved themselves to be anything but - If Hillary Clinton is to appeal to the left, she must apologize immediately for any form of misconduct from the DNC and put an end to the neo-McCarthyist attitude that pollutes it

It is time for anyone who castigated Bernie Sanders and his supporters for their “Bernie Bro conspiracies” to look away now. Those who held the sneering attitudes that were ever present from the naïve guard dogs of the press, in the face of accusations questioning the impartiality of Democratic National Committee (DNC), have been proven to be on the wrong side of history.

Through Wikileaks, in the last few days we have learned that US democracy may have been undermined by the Democratic Party just weeks after concerns about the nature of the democratic process, and the motives of those who seek to influence it, had been palmed off as the mutterings of tin foil hat wearers who cannot accept defeat.

We are in dangerous territory when it is so easy for those in power to vilify and smear as “conspiracy theories” the genuine and – as we now know – legitimate concerns of voters.

The notorious whistle-blower Wikileaks dumped just under 20,000 emails on its website on Friday involving prominent figures in the hierarchy of the Democratic National Committee. Emails uncovered appear to indicate that the DNC contrived attacks against Sanders and his campaign, in direct contravention of party rules which state that all DNC officers must remain neutral in presidential primaries.

Trawling through these eye-opening documents, it seems clear that the DNC exhibited a pro-Clinton bias throughout the campaign. The DNC’s national press secretary, Mark Paustenpach, even went as far as pitching anti-Sanders narratives to colleagues, many of which were later used. One email – in which a DNC staff members talks of a “friend” who could provide more information – justifies the “paranoia” within the Sanders camp that there were moles inside his organisation...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bernie-sanders-democrats-smear-campaign-wikileaks-emails-revelations-a7154966.html

It was later established that Symone was one of the moles, which was why she was asked to leave.

[pnwmom]

29. HRC and DWS did NOT undermine Bernie's campaign. The famous DWS

emails were written at the end of April and in May 2016, at a point when Bernie had no mathematical chance of winning the majority of pledged delegates. They were "conspiring" to try to figure out how to support Hillary -- the then inevitable winner -- even though Bernie was determined to hang on to the bitter end.

At that point DT had already been acknowledged as the winner on the Rethug side and HRC was being handicapped by having to fight a campaign on two fronts at once -- for no good reason since Bernie had zero chance of winning.

[FourScore]

30. Wow! I wonder why they all had to resign then.

Let me ask you something: How has demonizing Bernie and his supporters worked for you so far? Here's a hint - It's a stupid strategy.

[pnwmom]

31. How did demonizing Hillary work for you? Happy with DT, are you? n/t

[FourScore]

34. I voted for Hillary, and I tried to convince others to. The problem has NOT been me

(or other Bernie supporters) demonizing Hillary. Just the opposite in fact. The problem has been the demonizing of the liberal base of the democratic party (who primarily supported Bernie).

In my attempts to convince others to vote for Hillary, I was bombarded with all the reasons why they wouldn't vote for her.

Take the hiring of DWS by the Clinton campaign as an example. The Bernie supporters knew for months that the game was rigged. The press was rigged. The debates, the databases, everything. They endured terrible accusations of being sore losers and conspiracy theorists. They were called Bernie Bros and derided in demeaning ways. Then the emails were released, and the collusion between the Hillary camp, the DNC and the media was fully exposed, justifying the accusations made by Bernie supporters. The scandal was so big, DWS (and other top DNC brass) had to resign. Within moments of her resignation, Clinton hired her for her campaign. In that moment, I looked at my friends who were with me and said, "Holy shit! What the fuck is she thinking?? She just lost the election!" The tone-deafness, the insensitivity toward Bernie-loving democrats was fatal to her campaign.

You can deny that. You can blame Bernie and his crowd all you want. But guess what? She lost. And I'm pretty mad about it because now we are stuck with Donald fucking Trump. So don't go blaming BERNIE and his supporters!

[pnwmom]

35. Which particular emails were so "scandalous"? I read them and didn't see any

that would merit that label.

[FourScore]

39. Oh good grief! Seriously? Gee, why DID they need to resign? Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

[pnwmom]

43. You can't answer that because there weren't any that "scandalous."

And DWS resigned because she only had a few weeks left in her job anyway, and she didn't want the attention focused on her, and away from Hillary, in an important time for the campaign.

[FourScore]

44. pnwmom, I don't see how this helps. I am not going to start educating you on the DNC emails.

You want the answers to your own question? Google it. It's quite easy. Visit twitter and search it. Go to wikileaks and read them. And above all, open your mind and your heart, and perhaps you will find the truth you seek.

I'm not going to do the research for you. I will say this though, and I mean this with the best of intentions - blaming Bernie and his supporters is a pretty bad tactic.

The democrats lost an election they should've won in a landslide. At this point, do you really think this kind of in-fighting helps?

[pnwmom]

45. As I said, I read them when they came out. I don't need to read them again.

You have been the one making a claim and it's your job to support it -- I can't read your mind. You claimed some of the emails were "scandalous" without being able to provide a single example.

That's telling.

If you do decide to look at them again, pay attention to the dates. Anything written at the end of April or in May would have been written at a point when it was mathematically impossible for Bernie to win the majority of pledged delegates. DWS trying to support Hillary at that point made perfect sense. What didn't make sense was Bernie fighting on till the convention.

[FourScore]

46. Okay. n/t

[musicblind]

61. They resigned in a last ditch attempt to pacify people like you.

Their resignation was a display of self-sacrifice in a hail mary pass to bring petulant holdouts back into the fold.

Since I answered your questions, can you answer what, specifically, in an email from DWS herself was so horrible that it cost Sanders the election?

[riversedge]

62. Yes, I think the camp just wanted things to quiet down.

[Cha]

99. Thank you for that, musicblind.. of course she did.

[mythology]

71. They resigned because people believe what they want to believe regardless of facts

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney

People will get factual information and because it contradicts what they want to believe, they ignore it and become even more entrenched in their belief.

They resigned because some people were so convinced this awful horrible thing happened, that there needed to be a fall guy. And if you're going to complain about Sanders and his supporters being demonized, you should probably at least acknowledge that they in turn demonized the DNC for the Sanders campaign losing to Clinton.

[NJCher]

33. these sanctimonious claims

serve some psychological purpose because there are so many of them around. Staying in denial only assures republican wins for the foreseeable future, so if that's what you want, continue to bury your heads in the sand.

This kind of OP is a straw man, a logical fallacy. Say something that's not even pertinent, pretend it is the issue, don't even back it up with facts or figures (a true effrontery), and then everyone jump on the bandwagon saying "hear, hear."


Thank you, FourScore, for posting this link, because this is what the real issue is. The underlying, essential issue is that Bernie was handicapped at every step of the way--and he still turned out millions all over the country. Poll after poll, survey after survey showed that he would have beat Trump hands down.

I'm not buying into these pathetic attempts to remake history. It's actually disgusting to see people try to evade responsibility for their actions, especially when they were warned.


Cher

[FourScore]

37. Thank you, NJCher. n/t

[Cha]

52. Oh no.. BS wasn't "handicapped at every step of the way"..

"We Lost Fair & Square, ZERO Election Fraud"

[NJCher]

87. you just don't get it, do you?

Enjoy the view:




Cher

[SunSeeker]

50. OFFS, Symone Sanders quit on June 26, 2016, she was not asked to leave. Bernie's campaign was over.

https://www.google.com/amp/fusion.net/story/319109/symone-sanders-quits-sanders-campaign/amp/

Sanders had no chance of winning. He was mathematically eliminated well before the end of June. He should have gracefully conceded at that point, for the good of the Democratic Party and the country.

Enough with the insane conspiracy theory bullshit. It just helps Trump. It serve no constructive purpose.

[Cha]

97. Thank you, SunSeeker!

[LovingA2andMI]

36. Yes....

And there's that.

Also, isn't Democratic Primary 2016 WAY OVER? Bernie Sanders has moved on and at this point, one would think considering what's ahead with Donald Trump -- maybe, just maybe folks attention would be laser focused on that.

OR helping with a #Recount2016 Efforts in Michigan, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin....

[FourScore]

38. I completely agree. n/t

[Cha]

51. Way to try and spread false rumors and not a very good attempt to kill the messenger of something

you don't want to hear.

[SidDithers]

19. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Cha]

69. Thank you, DUer Recer

Sid

[SunSeeker]

21. K & R

[radical noodle]

24. K&R

I wish this had been said months ago.

[Cha]

112. It was!

Hey Rad!

[radical noodle]

113. Hi Cha!

[workinclasszero]

25. Good info Cha

Thanks

[Cha]

26. Just wanted to set the record straight, working..

Too many getting carried away with blaming BS' loss on the DNC.

Ridiculous.

Thank you!

[Feeling the Bern]

40. I'm a "Bernie Bro" and believe he would have been a better candidate

That said, this puts it finally to bed. He lost. . .I knew it. I didn't argue what Bernie or Bust people did because there were bigger enemies to fry.

But you really need to see my facebook feed. Bernie people there are now calling him a sellout.

Christ all Friday.

[Cha]

57. Why is he a "sellout"? according to them?

[Feeling the Bern]

58. I don't know. I just ignore it and move on. Some are just way off base

Mostly, they like using the phrases "Republicrat" and "Democran"

You get the jist. STupid shit.

[Cha]

59. Yes, I do get the gist.. thank you.

And, thank you for supporting Hillary in the GE.

[Feeling the Bern]

60. To be honest, I felt dirty voting for her. But, in my mind, but vote was a protest vote

against Donnie Dipshit, not FOR her. I settled for her as the nominee. Would rather have had Bernie, but someone I agree with 40% of the time is better than someone I agree with 0% of the time.

So, while I voted for her, I was voting against him. The difference between voting smiling and voting holding your nose.

[DemonGoddess]

41. K&R!

[CajunBlazer]

42. K&R - Mahalo hoapili!

Thanks Cha - somehow we usually find ourselves on the same side.

[Cha]

66. Mahalo to you, Cajun!

How you doin'?

[CajunBlazer]

106. Survived the Trump tradgy some how, getting my fight back

And you?

[Cha]

111. Same.. looks like a lot of us are

in the same boat on the same journey.

It hit us all over the Planet but we're bouncing back.. thank Goodness. That night was bloody awful.

[betsuni]

47. K&R

[Lint Head]

56. Yes. In July. The primary probably wasn't "rigged".

Other than Bernie not having total DNC backing.I don't think Hillary colluded with anyone but the DNC seemed to not push Bernie as much.

[riversedge]

63. Good Reminder for all. REC

[Cha]

64. That's right, rivers.. Nothing like shining a little light

on some history here..



And, Hillary did break the glass ceiling.. She is more than just a president.

Thank you!

[brer cat]

65. Thank you, Cha.

This excuse needs to be put down permanently. Bernie didn't lose because Hillary, the DNC, or DWS stole the election. It is very harmful to the party to keep such bogus claims front and center. Our focus needs to be elsewhere.

K&R

[Cha]

68. Right, brer cat.. and we're just doing our part

to correct that disinformation.

Thank you!

[livetohike]

67. It's good to review facts. Thanks for posting this.

[treestar]

70. so sick of Bernie

and the claims he was cheated and the claims he would have won. Good info to have thank you Cha!

[Cha]

72. You're Welcome, treestar!

Thank you!

[Gothmog]

79. Sanders lost even though the Clinton campaign treated him with kid gloves

Sanders was never a real threat to get the nomination and so the Clinton campaign treated sanders with kid gloves. VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that Sanders would be exposed to if Sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:

I have no interest in litigating any of these attacks here. Like any Democrat elected president in 2016, Sanders wouldn't be able to get much done, but he would block attempts to roll back Obama's accomplishments and have a chance to fill a few Supreme Court vacancies.

When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?

But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.

His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.

The attacks that would be levied against Sanders by the Kochs, the RNC candidate and others in a general election contest would make the so-called attacks against Sanders look like patty-cakes. The GOP and Kochs are not known for being nice or honest and as the article notes there are a ton of good topics available for attack. Raising taxes is never a good campaign platform (Just ask President Mondale). The GOP would also raise the socialism and age issues if Sanders was the nominee.

Again, I agree with the VOX position that so far, Sanders has not been subject to negative attacks close to what the GOP would use against Sanders and the attacks against Sanders if he was the nominee would be brutal. I urge Sanders supporters to read the VOX article to start to get a feel for what real negative attacks would look like.

The Clinton campaign had a ton of material that could have been used against sanders and was not solely because Sanders had zero chance of being the nominee. Sanders would have been destroyed by trump in the general election

[Cha]

83. And, that's the reality, Gothmog.. Hillary did everything

right.

Thank you for all this additional information.. there's plenty more where this came from. Al Giordano tweeted he's seen the oppo research on BS and it's devastating.

He never did release his taxes, either, like trump.

Hillary.. what, released 25 years of tax returns? She was transparent and they shredded her.

[TwilightZone]

81. Hillary won because Democrats preferred her 2:1

She won Dems 64-35 in the primaries.

Had it not been for open/semi-open primaries, it would have been a complete blowout. As it was, she won by double digits.

This isn't complicated. Only those with an ax to grind are making it so.

Source for numbers: http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/

[mcar]

82. K&R

for truth!

[Cha]

86. Straight Talk from Symone Sanders!

Mahalo, mcar!

[Gothmog]

84. Sanders lost by over 3 million votes

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

85. Class act!!! K&R

[AgadorSparticus]

88. Can't believe people are harping on this...smh. primaries have been long over. Let it go already

If there are Bernie supporters who are insisting in dnc taking him down....at this point in time.....

Quit ruminating and move on. We have much bigger fish to fry.

[Cha]

89. Agador!

Hi!

Yeah they were saying on another thread that BS didn't win 'cause .. DNC-rigged.

So I remembered what Symone had said after the primary and had to do an OP on it.

Thank you!

[AgadorSparticus]

90. My god, really? The world is about to go up in flames and they are worried about...THIS?!?!!??

Honest to god!!! Really? ?!?!! Glad you posted this then.

Hugs to you, Cha!

[Cha]

92. That's exactly right, AS.. "The World is about to go up

in Flames and they are worried about .. THIS?!?!!?? Which didn't happen.

Hugs, Agador!

[Coyotl]

98. I'll lay a wreath at TruthisAll's tombstone.

Another CT for the dust mountain of a heap in that graveyard.

You can't REC this OP enough times. On Facebook, I just saw TruthisAll is still spouting CA primary was stolen.

[sheshe2]

100. Kick!

[stonecutter357]

103. K&R!

[MFM008]

104. The beauty of theft

Is you may not know it's stolen.
Don't be so cock sure.
Who would notice vote padding in Mississippi?
Louisiana? Wyoming?

[JCanete]

107. Generally, unless you're Trump, the best part about election fraud, is that the person

who might have been robbed can't say shit about it without ruining that person's political career. Same almost certainly goes for his campaign staff. It looks like sour-grapes and conspiracy BS. So, while this is a person, who did the right political thing, and the right gracious thing, and the right thing for solidarity, it means nothing about whether or not election fraud was a factor, and you shouldn't be suggesting that it does.

That said, I have no reason to believe that the election was stolen for Clinton, and I would be greatly surprised. It was heavily weighted for Clinton but that isn't the same thing.

[Scurrilous]

110. Thanks!

K & R