100% blame "Others" for the election losses: CHECK. Re-elect existing Democratic leadership. CHECK.

[MadDAsHell]

If the strategy of blaming "Others" (Bernie, the media, Comey, Jill Stein, President Obama for the ACA premium hikes, etc.) is getting pushback, claim the election was stolen. CHECK.

Thank you so much to John Podesta, the rest of the HRC campaign leadership, and our current party leadership for these intelligent, well thought-out, monumentally strategic and influential recovery and Party-strengthening measures. Victory in 2018 and 2020 is nearly assured at this point.

[sfwriter]

1. I feel ya brother. EOM

[Duckhunter935]

2. Indeed so

[MadDAsHell]

3. I like the "Fuck Trump" pin in your signature :)

[Duckhunter935]

4. Thanks

[boston bean]

5. People who say they are dems really don't like dems. Strange.

[lumberjack_jeff]

7. There are quite a few dems I really dislike right about now.

Every time I see Trump on TV, I'm reminded of them.

[boston bean]

8. Yet you did not vote for the dem for prez. And u are really mad trump won??

You did tell me yesterday you did not vote for president, correct? I am not misremembering that am I?

[lumberjack_jeff]

23. You're either misremembering it or fabricating it. n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

6. Yes, by all means we should stick with what's working.

Remember to involve our lobbyists in the discussion about the surgical precision of where to stick the knife in uppity liberals who challenge authority.

[otohara]

20. Did You Expect Hugs/Kisses

as a Democrat I sure as hell wanted to see Bernard cut off at the knees for all his nasty talk about Democrats over decades and threats of primary challenge to Obama.

Never considered myself as uppity.

[jalan48]

9. At least Trump nominated someone from Goldman Sacks to his cabinet.

That's a good thing, right?

[MadDAsHell]

10. Yep, "draining the swamp" I'm told.

[LanternWaste]

11. Good thing you're not into petulant, grade-school finger-pointing

Good thing you're not into petulant, grade-school finger-pointing and are, as always, offering us instead valid, strategic and insightful solutions.

Another fine example of irony so obvious... with a follow-up rationalization (to better offer a distinction lacking a difference) soon to come (so says my Magic 8 Ball).

[DanTex]

12. So your theory is that we should blame Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi?

Odd, I don't recall hearing hardly anything from them at all during the campaign.

[MadDAsHell]

14. No theory, just questions/comments:

1) Podesta and the like have, so far post-election, given us nothing but excuses and a list of outside people to blame. No reflection on messaging, no reflection on campaign strategy, no reflection on the candidate herself. I'd give them credit for not throwing people under the bus, except they are; they're throwing EVERYONE under the boss BUT the candidate and those in positions of power that were most responsible for selecting her and helping her win.

Nevermind the fact that all the excuses in the world for why Clinton lost do not explain 1000+ state legislature seats, house and senate seats, and governorships we've lost over the last 6 years.

Mr. Podesta and the other leaders that have overseen this unmitigated disaster, you can't control the dozen plus individuals and entities that you have decided are responsible for your loss, so why are you even wasting your time telling us why they are to blame? You may not be directly to blame for this disaster, but you oversaw it, and all the excuses in the world aren't going to change that or make us forget that fact. You're fucking wasting our time; what is the plan to win in 2018 and 2020? Or are you already expecting the losing streak to continue, so you're focusing your efforts on preparing your list of excuses?

TRY SOMETHING. TRY FUCKING ANYTHING. Blaming others is not trying.


2) Why are DUers taking their marching orders from these losers as to what to do next, focusing post-election discussion almost entirely on not what is to blame (that's fixable), but WHO is to blame (something that is entirely unfixable)? Our 4th brutal election loss in a row may not be Podesta and his ilk's fault, but they oversaw it; why would these be the people we look to for our talking points?

[hueymahl]

26. Pretty much sums it up for me too.

Why we would rehire the officers from the Titanic is beyond me.

[Txbluedog]

13. Unfortunately

We have a hostile mid term coming up with 23 democratic senators up for re-elections some in newly minted red states. So, no one will need to worry about taking responsibility for the losses in that election cycle

[jalan48]

15. Political elites don't concede power easily. nt

[zipplewrath]

16. 5 phases of any effort

1) Establish unachievable goals
2) Assemble a team with no expertise
3) Ignore all evidence of impending failure
4) Punish the innocent
5) Praise and honors for the nonparticipants.


We're at stage 5.

[MadDAsHell]

17. Good post. nt

[TwilightZone]

18. Right, because Hillary is 100% responsible.

News flash: all of the parties you listed share some portion of the blame. The Clinton campaign is ultimately responsible, without a doubt, but every one of those items was also a factor.

There are a multitude of reasons why we lost the presidential race. There are no simple answers, and no one party or factor is responsible, as much as people would like to believe otherwise to further their predetermined biases. Or keep fighting the primary.

[MadDAsHell]

19. What % has the HRC campaign publically accepted so far?

Reports are that the post–election wrap up calls with campaign workers put the entirety of the blame on Comey. Which is basically beyond our control. Which is basically saying there's not one damn thing we can do to stop the bleeding.

Which is pathetic. You run a year and a half campaign and the only lesson we learn is apparently "everyone was mean to us."

[JSup]

21. I'm beginning to think...

...that some people were hoping she would lose so that we could tear the party down and rebuild it in their image. Everyone has their own opinion on why we lost and I imagine confirmation bias is a heavy factor on our own opinions.

And no I'm not accusing you, MadDAsHell, of this; just some of the threads I've seen lately. Everyone yelling about why we lost, all with our own reasons.

[bettyellen]

25. That was pretty common here before the primaries were over ....

And then they left for another site that's only rule was to hate Hillary. They were shocked to be overrun by Trump supporters! So shocked they waited till after the election to boot them. I guess they couldn't fool anyone into thinking they were progressive with all them still there.

[Statistical]

22. Yeah listen to my buddy Albert

[BobbyDrake]

24. Our leadership fought all the way to election day, while others' leadership quit early,

wrote a book for a 7-figure payout (despite complaining about anyone being paid 6-figures for anything), bought a bourgeois vacation home (his third, so "man of the people&quot , and continue to trash the one party with a chance to beat Republicans.

Funny how it took the losing primary candidate more than 2 months to concede to Clinton, but only 24 hours to concede to Donald Trump.

[hueymahl]

27. Your right, it was all Bernie's fault

Pretty much the whole point of the OP.

[ismnotwasm]

28. Yawn

You might like JPR--just a friendly suggestion

[MadDAsHell]

29. I'm thinking you might like election losses; just a guess. nt