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Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:19 PM Nov 2016

Electoral College 306-232

Michigan has been awarded to the President Elect and he now has 36 more electors that he needs to win. I do not see any realistic way where get 36 faithless electors.

We as democrats need to accept these results and move on and plan for local and state elections over the next two years and the presidential election in 2020.

I do not expect the recounts to change the overall outcome of this election. However, I am optimistic that it will raise enough doubts to where improvements in the election process and systems will be considered.

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Electoral College 306-232 (Original Post) Txbluedog Nov 2016 OP
I don't expect the recounts to change anything either Farmgirl1961 Nov 2016 #1
There might be no other choice at some point in the future.... Txbluedog Nov 2016 #2
Agreed... Farmgirl1961 Nov 2016 #3
But what if it's too late by then...? First Speaker Nov 2016 #7
Maybe that is what is needed for people to finally wake up Txbluedog Nov 2016 #8
Yes but MFM008 Nov 2016 #4
But part of moving on... JSup Nov 2016 #5
and hopefully the recounts help towards that goal Txbluedog Nov 2016 #6
I think they will JSup Nov 2016 #9

Farmgirl1961

(1,643 posts)
1. I don't expect the recounts to change anything either
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:42 PM
Nov 2016

So -- while we all pinned some hopes on that...or on the Hamilton Electors to do their job...the big question is this: what do we (we as the collective people who know that this election was stolen) do? I know - "we organize", "we fight back"...but no, what I mean is what specific steps do we take - NOW - to gain back control for the people?

I was thinking about this in the context of Fidel Castro's death. An extremely polarizing figure. People loathed him, wanted him dead -- and some thought of him as a revolutionary for the people. His rise to power came through severe oppression by Batista in the 1950's, during Batista's 2nd term in power. Fidel came to power not alone, but because the working class and the professionals had had enough of Batista.

In no way what so ever am I idolizing Castro, just making a point of how he, along with his revolutionary supporters, was able to wrest power away and implement a government for the people - except it really wasn't as government control of the media and imprisonment of dissidents is more along the lines of a tyrant.

But - here we are at the cusp of a new and awful chapter being etched into the US History books. What will we do about it? Organize and revolt? Perhaps we will have to -- perhaps there will be no other choice...

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
2. There might be no other choice at some point in the future....
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:47 PM
Nov 2016

but we are not there. As much as I want to I cannot blame Trump for what we perceive he is going to do as POTUS. We have to wait until he actually does those things before people will be agitated enough to oppose his actions

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
7. But what if it's too late by then...?
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:12 PM
Nov 2016

...is there anyone who *doesn't* expect some Reichstag Fire-type incident, which will give him the excuse he needs to turn the screws? I don't see anyone doing anything but some futile squealing, when that happens. Certainly not the Dem leadership. I think it will be a very open question if we even have a free election in 2020--more like one of those 99.9% referendums dictators love so much. Our democratic institutions are much weaker than most people think, I am very much afraid...and I don't have the slightest goddam notion of what to do about it...

JSup

(740 posts)
5. But part of moving on...
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:05 PM
Nov 2016

...and getting ready for 2018 and 2020 is delegitimizing his win just like 'they' did to Obama.

I know I sound like an ass, but that seems to be how America works these days.

JSup

(740 posts)
9. I think they will
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:02 PM
Nov 2016

We just need a plan to keep things in the news about how much of a mandate he does not have.

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