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pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:00 PM Nov 2016

In PA, Jill Stein waited till the last minute, likely won't have enough volunteers

She needs 3 volunteers from EVERY one of the thousands of districts in the state to sign affadavits, and only had 1500 (out of 30,000 needed) as of Sunday. Why didn't she start that at the same time she started collecting money for the recounts?

And why didn't she post info about needing the PA volunteers on the donation page, where people would be sure to see it? Lots of people would probably have been happy to sign the affidavits, if she had started collecting names soon enough. As it is, she's already missed the deadline in some districts.

http://billypenn.com/2016/11/28/jill-steins-pennsylvania-recount-4-new-developments-on-deadline-day/

Stein can’t simply ask for a recount in Pennsylvania. She needs Keystone State residents to ask for one for her.

That’s because for a recount to happen — barring a credible accusation of voter fraud ruled by the courts — three voters in each district must petition the results through an affidavit. Philadelphia alone, with its 1,600 voting divisions, would need requests from nearly 5,000 people to undergo a recount. The whole state would likely need about 30,000 volunteers. Stein got about 49,000 votes in PA.

Through Facebook and Twitter, she’s been asking for volunteers and has set up a process showing interested parties how to file an affidavit. As of 11 a.m. Sunday, she tweeted 1,500 Pennsylvanians had volunteered.

The deadline has already passed in some Pennsylvania districts, Stein said in a message to prospective volunteers. So it’s unlikely all of Pennsylvania is going to be recounted, regardless of Stein’s attempt.

SNIP

Should a significant number of counties get the requisite number of petitions, the recount process could be arduous. This is because many Pennsylvania polling stations don’t produce paper copies.

For a recount, each machine in the state would have to be opened and re-analyzed. Stein is also seeking volunteers to observe this recount process, especially in Pennsylvania’s smaller counties.

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In PA, Jill Stein waited till the last minute, likely won't have enough volunteers (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2016 OP
That is disappointing and it shows madaboutharry Nov 2016 #1
Or maybe it's what she wanted to happen, pnwmom Nov 2016 #2
There is going to zero unneeded money - Wisconsin keeps upping the amount of money they want womanofthehills Nov 2016 #35
They gave an estimate before SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #41
Now they want way more money for the people working the audit womanofthehills Nov 2016 #44
I Googled but can't find the new number SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #45
Greg Palist just said this today on Randi Rhodes show womanofthehills Nov 2016 #49
I just found something SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #66
OMG - she is working day and night on 3 states at the same time womanofthehills Nov 2016 #38
I know that, what I meant madaboutharry Nov 2016 #43
She was probably very busy over the holiday weekend - sounds like an awful lot of stuff jmg257 Nov 2016 #3
Why didn't she put up info about needing the volunteers on her donation page? pnwmom Nov 2016 #4
Not sure. Can we assume she was aware of it and the deadlines involved? jmg257 Nov 2016 #5
Of course she was aware of it. Would she have collected millions of dollars pnwmom Nov 2016 #6
She could still get a huge response today womanofthehills Nov 2016 #7
Yeah, right. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #8
The campaign has gone to court to extend deadline - see what happens womanofthehills Nov 2016 #15
Actually, now she is gettting deadlines pushed back in some counties womanofthehills Nov 2016 #51
Great to hear this. Thank you. anamandujano Nov 2016 #61
Actually, she just needs the large Dem counties womanofthehills Nov 2016 #39
Oh, I don't know, let's hope not! Plenty of people were screaming "recount!" despite jmg257 Nov 2016 #9
It will be her money -- whatever's left over from what she collects. pnwmom Nov 2016 #12
Ha excellent point - so other then some possibly baoptics, what does she have to lose? Interesting. jmg257 Nov 2016 #14
This is a Fox news talking point - there are Federal laws about what she can use the money for womanofthehills Nov 2016 #16
The Greens say they are the party all about election integrity -- it's part of their mission. pnwmom Nov 2016 #20
Why do you keep posting lies from Fox news womanofthehills Nov 2016 #37
I didn't post anything from Fox or read anything except pnwmom Nov 2016 #48
Well what you are saying is exactly what Fox is saying womanofthehills Nov 2016 #53
So you are the one listening to Fox then. pnwmom Nov 2016 #55
Greg Palist was on Randi's show today and he said the FEC is VERY STRICT about this womanofthehills Nov 2016 #57
Greg Palast lost all credibility with me when he went around yelling pnwmom Nov 2016 #69
I disagree - I think he is an excellent investigative reporter womanofthehills Nov 2016 #72
Then why was he lying about the provisional votes not being counted in CA? pnwmom Nov 2016 #74
Or maybe not for election integrity SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #27
You keep posting it will be her money - which is a HUGE Republican talking point womanofthehills Nov 2016 #36
There will be no f**king left over money - she will need to raise more womanofthehills Nov 2016 #42
I read something about Trump challenging the recount, can't remember which state. anamandujano Nov 2016 #62
Ha Ha - one of the states says he wants to recount is California womanofthehills Nov 2016 #64
He has access to chit tons of money if he wants recounts. anamandujano Nov 2016 #67
If you added the initial filing fees they came to 2.1 million. pnwmom Nov 2016 #77
Early in this post, someone looked up Wisconsin fees & said it's now 3.5 million Wisconsin wants womanofthehills Nov 2016 #82
How do you know what she was aware of? Your posts on this topic are biased KittyWampus Nov 2016 #23
Agreed - all she is doing is posting Republican talking points all over DU womanofthehills Nov 2016 #40
Yes absolutely she was aware of it. texasmomof3 Nov 2016 #10
Thanks - that makes sense! Very interesting situation. jmg257 Nov 2016 #11
Well put. And welcome to DU! pnwmom Nov 2016 #13
Agreed - working on three states at once womanofthehills Nov 2016 #17
I don't have the money to put in meow2u3 Nov 2016 #18
Jill just tweeted they are filing affidavits just now in Allegheny County womanofthehills Nov 2016 #19
Philadelphia county is where they need them. Lots of Dems and pnwmom Nov 2016 #21
And how does one recount paperless hackable machines? LisaL Nov 2016 #22
Rechecks what it said... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #24
70 per cent machines, 30 percent absentee ballots and early voting womanofthehills Nov 2016 #46
The proposal is that they open up the machines and look inside them. pnwmom Nov 2016 #78
No. Philly produced the required margins. Look elsewhere. Barack_America Nov 2016 #75
Here's a map of the country showing counties that use paperless DRE machines, pnwmom Nov 2016 #80
Nope. Same machines county-wide. Barack_America Nov 2016 #81
Pennsylvania's aging voting machines could be 'nightmare scenario' (7 minutes and a screwdriver) womanofthehills Nov 2016 #83
Okay, that's what I'm talking about. The only machines the computer scientists approve of pnwmom Nov 2016 #84
PA counties where R votes exceeded R registrations DeminPennswoods Nov 2016 #25
There were court orders in PA about KGB/GOP fraud LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #26
Can you elaborate on that? drm604 Nov 2016 #29
Not what you think. GOP was forbidden to have poll watchers in Philly Amishman Nov 2016 #47
Yes, because of PA law. drm604 Nov 2016 #68
The deadline passed Nov 21st... I think Jill was fish for something good for 4139 Nov 2016 #28
Not true ELY08 Nov 2016 #31
Deadline for 'citizen recount' was the 21st; deadline to contest in court is today 4139 Nov 2016 #33
Thanks ELY08 Nov 2016 #34
Well Pn ELY08 Nov 2016 #30
I volunteered drm604 Nov 2016 #32
I wonder what will happen to the surplus funds she raised oberliner Nov 2016 #50
OMG! Give it a break! FEC has very STRICT REGULATIONS about this - womanofthehills Nov 2016 #54
If this was posted on twitter, you'd get a message saying "you already made this tweet." anamandujano Nov 2016 #63
So isn't this a situation where a site like DU could have helped her. andym Nov 2016 #52
You can donate at this site to help - womanofthehills Nov 2016 #59
Why didn't she use that page to ask for volunteers willing to sign affidavits pnwmom Nov 2016 #71
I filed affidavits this morning with two other voters from my precinct. apcalc Nov 2016 #56
OMG it's Gore deja vu. Why in the world did Hillary concede? she should have Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2016 #58
She did lose. Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #60
Conceding means nothing. anamandujano Nov 2016 #65
Because of the petitions drm604 Nov 2016 #70
Bucks County also delaying certification womanofthehills Nov 2016 #73
Damn right, the voting machines are a disgrace. apcalc Nov 2016 #76
The fact that the DNC is staying neutral on this makes me very angry. YOHABLO Nov 2016 #79

madaboutharry

(41,315 posts)
1. That is disappointing and it shows
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:04 PM
Nov 2016

how messed up the entire system really is. It also shows some incompetence on her part to have not gotten things lined up.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
2. Or maybe it's what she wanted to happen,
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:07 PM
Nov 2016

since she said that they'd be keeping unneeded money for their "election integrity" efforts, whatever that is.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
35. There is going to zero unneeded money - Wisconsin keeps upping the amount of money they want
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:38 PM
Nov 2016

Wisconsin now wants huge amts of money - way beyond what they originally asked for according to Greg Palist.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,297 posts)
41. They gave an estimate before
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:48 PM
Nov 2016

based on a recount of about half as many votes. I would expect it to be more, just curious as to how much more.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
49. Greg Palist just said this today on Randi Rhodes show
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:27 PM
Nov 2016

They want to pay the Wisconsin workers in the audit more money now. He will be posting a question and answer post soon. Greg is friends with one of Jill's lawyers. He said her lawyer is one of the best.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,297 posts)
66. I just found something
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:45 PM
Nov 2016

$3.5 million. If it turns out to be less, they get a refund. If it's more, they have to pay the additional.

madaboutharry

(41,315 posts)
43. I know that, what I meant
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:50 PM
Nov 2016

was that the need for voter signatures should have been posted on the day the collection of money began so there could be a jump on things. I understand the enormity of this undertaking.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
3. She was probably very busy over the holiday weekend - sounds like an awful lot of stuff
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:10 PM
Nov 2016

to keep track of.

What kind of team does she have for stuff like this?

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
4. Why didn't she put up info about needing the volunteers on her donation page?
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:15 PM
Nov 2016

Those 30,000 volunteers were as critical as the millions of dollars.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
6. Of course she was aware of it. Would she have collected millions of dollars
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:20 PM
Nov 2016

without checking the procedures first?

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
15. The campaign has gone to court to extend deadline - see what happens
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:46 PM
Nov 2016

Supporters of Green Party leader Jill have filed election challenges in more than 100 precincts in Pennsylvania. The campaign has also gone to court to extend the deadline from Monday in order make challenges in more districts.

“The Stein recount effort is mobilizing concerned voters across Pennsylvania to request recounts in their precincts,” Ms Stein campaign manager David Cobb told Politico in a statement.

“Additionally, the campaign filed a legal petition in state court today on behalf of 100 Pennsylvania voters to protect their right to substantively contest the election in Pennsylvania beyond the recounts being filed by voters at the precinct level.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/election-recount-jill-stein-pennsylvania-recount-a7444231.html

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
39. Actually, she just needs the large Dem counties
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:45 PM
Nov 2016

which is what they are going after. That's were all the discrepancies will be.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
9. Oh, I don't know, let's hope not! Plenty of people were screaming "recount!" despite
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:23 PM
Nov 2016

the lack of probability of hacks, maybe she got caught up in the excitement??

Not her money after all.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
12. It will be her money -- whatever's left over from what she collects.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:30 PM
Nov 2016

It won't hurt her if they don't get approved for a recount. They'll get to keep it for their "election integrity" work, which is how they position their whole party.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
14. Ha excellent point - so other then some possibly baoptics, what does she have to lose? Interesting.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:36 PM
Nov 2016

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
20. The Greens say they are the party all about election integrity -- it's part of their mission.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:01 PM
Nov 2016

So they will use the money to promote their party.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
55. So you are the one listening to Fox then.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:46 PM
Nov 2016

And Fox is apparently capable of reading the Green's website.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
57. Greg Palist was on Randi's show today and he said the FEC is VERY STRICT about this
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:56 PM
Nov 2016

and the funds are in a separate account. He also said it was a Republican talking point that is untrue.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
69. Greg Palast lost all credibility with me when he went around yelling
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:01 PM
Nov 2016

that Bernie was winning in CA and they weren't counting provisional votes there -- all lies. Some states might not count provisional votes but they always do in California. And the final result put Hillary solidly ahead, just as they had announced on the day of the election.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
72. I disagree - I think he is an excellent investigative reporter
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:39 PM
Nov 2016

and he has been digging up good stuff about sleazy Kris Kobach who Trump wants to give a cabinet position too. With his program crosscheck, Kobach denied thousands of dems their right to vote - and for that Kobach gets a present of a possible cabinet post.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
74. Then why was he lying about the provisional votes not being counted in CA?
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:48 PM
Nov 2016

All he would have had to do was "investigate" the Secretary of State's website, where anyone could view the counting -- of all the separate categories of ballots -- while it was going on.

Or he could have consulted Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

"USA Daily Politics cited a blog post by investigative journalist Greg Palast to support its claim that a majority of provisional ballots were discarded. However, that claim was addressed and largely debunked the next day, when Dean Logan of the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk addressed fears of uncounted provisional ballots on Twitter and stated that most would probably be deemed valid and added to totals.

https://www.lavote.net/home/voting-elections/voting-options/at-the-polls/provisional-voting

Provisional voting has been used in California since 1984. Once voted, a provisional ballot is placed in a pink envelope and secured for processing. Provisional ballots are counted after elections officials have confirmed the validity of the voter’s registration and that the voter did not already vote in the election.

Past election records show that on average 85-90% of provisional ballots are valid and counted.


So he lied about CA not counting provisional votes, and he lied about Bernie winning CA:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/

"I can tell you this: Senator Sanders won California," Palast said. "Let me do the math for you. Most of those late mailed-in ballots were what are called NPP, No Party Preference. These independent ballots were the ones that came in late because people had to switch their ballots. It’s a complex process, in California, that’s all I can tell you. The late ballots are Sanders ballots."

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,297 posts)
27. Or maybe not for election integrity
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:41 PM
Nov 2016
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-will-the-green-party-jill-stein-use-election-recount-donations/

If there is extra money in the donation fund -- or if Stein’s petition fails to pass muster with the election commissions in any of the states --Martin promised that the money will be used to fund the Green party’s local “campaign schools,” meant to groom local candidates for public service. “As a national party, our commitment is to build at the local level,” Martin said. “That’s where these dollars and excess dollars will go.”


On her website, however, Stein’s donation page says that any extra dollars not devoted to the recount will “go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform."

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
36. You keep posting it will be her money - which is a HUGE Republican talking point
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:41 PM
Nov 2016

Greg Palist just that that is being spread falsely by Republicans. The FEC specifies those funds must be in a separate account.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
42. There will be no f**king left over money - she will need to raise more
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:50 PM
Nov 2016

Wisconsin especially keeps upping the money they now want according to Greg Palist.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
62. I read something about Trump challenging the recount, can't remember which state.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:32 PM
Nov 2016

He will probably fight this tooth and nail and have lawyers all over the place to delay, deny and whatever else they can think of. There will be zip left. As you say, it's a Repuke talking point.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
64. Ha Ha - one of the states says he wants to recount is California
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:41 PM
Nov 2016

So funny but not really because it shows his dementia.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
67. He has access to chit tons of money if he wants recounts.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:47 PM
Nov 2016

He could challenge in states Hillary took but methinks he's been advised it wouldn't be helpful to his cause.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
77. If you added the initial filing fees they came to 2.1 million.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:04 PM
Nov 2016

At first she said that attorneys fees would be 1 million. Then she changed it to 2-3 million.

Add her biggest estimate for attorney's fees to the filing fees and the result is 5.1 million. So she has almost $2 million in padding, which should be plenty. And if PA derails her lawsuit quickly, which it probably will, then most of the PA money won't be spent.

texasmomof3

(108 posts)
10. Yes absolutely she was aware of it.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:25 PM
Nov 2016

She is not new to politics or recounts not to mention the rules are easily found by google. Seriously, if I can find the rules so can she and or her team. If you want to be taken seriously you get your act together and you get your game plan in place in plenty of time to do what you are asking millions of people to donate for. If she wasn't aware of it then she was not prepared for or qualified for this fight. You don't do something like this half ass. It makes you look foolish and incompetent at best and deceitful at worst. Her donors deserve her full and complete effort and by not asking for volunteers sooner she did not do her best.

meow2u3

(24,917 posts)
18. I don't have the money to put in
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:19 PM
Nov 2016

Otherwise, I'd volunteer. It does cost money in PA to initiate a recount/audit.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
19. Jill just tweeted they are filing affidavits just now in Allegheny County
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:22 PM
Nov 2016

I'm sure they are concentrating on certain counties.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
21. Philadelphia county is where they need them. Lots of Dems and
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:02 PM
Nov 2016

they only use paperless, hackable machines.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
24. Rechecks what it said...
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:31 PM
Nov 2016

So they reread the memory and find it's the same as before unless there was a human transposition error.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
46. 70 per cent machines, 30 percent absentee ballots and early voting
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:58 PM
Nov 2016

Looks like early voting was all on paper.

I assume they check the machines for malware and if the results from each machine was actually added to the final total, etc.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
78. The proposal is that they open up the machines and look inside them.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:05 PM
Nov 2016

What that will prove, I don't know -- especially because one of the computer scientists pointed out that hacking software can be programmed to self-destruct after an election.

The computer scientist says paper is the only safe way to go.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
75. No. Philly produced the required margins. Look elsewhere.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:55 PM
Nov 2016

Allegheny is a smart target.

And all Philly machines print to a paper tape. I've voted in them and my prior apartment building was my precinct. I've seen these machines delivered, set up, torn down. I've seen the tapes. I've inquired about the tapes. There is one tape for each machine and each is labeled with its corresponding machine.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
80. Here's a map of the country showing counties that use paperless DRE machines,
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:24 PM
Nov 2016

and Philadelphia county is one of them. I wonder if yours was an exception. Did you vote there recently? Because some counties are continuing to buy these DRE paperless machines.

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#year/2016/state/42

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
81. Nope. Same machines county-wide.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:30 PM
Nov 2016

Now, I don't know that there's a record of every vote on that tape, but there is a paper tape with the final tally, and I don't think the machines can be easily tampered after they're set up.

Now, as for code and the internal counting mechanism, I can't speak for that.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
83. Pennsylvania's aging voting machines could be 'nightmare scenario' (7 minutes and a screwdriver)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:46 PM
Nov 2016

in the event of a disputed election.

But Andrew Appel, a Princeton professor of computer science, said that given a screwdriver and seven minutes with an electronic machine, he could “install a vote-stealing program” that would be hard to detect and shift a percentage of the votes.

In states like Pennsylvania, these voting machines “are delivered to polling places several days before the election — to elementary schools, churches and firehouses,” he said. That creates the risk of tampering. “This is not just one glitch in one manufacturer’s machine. It’s the very nature of computers,” he told a House subcommittee last month.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pennsylvania-voting-paperless-20161020-snap-story.html

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
84. Okay, that's what I'm talking about. The only machines the computer scientists approve of
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:00 PM
Nov 2016

are either optical scanners of paper ballots; or electronic machines that make an instant paper trail of each individual ballot.

The computer scientists say the electronic machines are easily hackable -- even if they're not connected to the Internet -- and the hack can occur without leaving traces.

DeminPennswoods

(16,271 posts)
25. PA counties where R votes exceeded R registrations
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:31 PM
Nov 2016

I did a little spreadsheet and while I don't think this is anything more than Dem ticket-splitting or voters registered with other parties voting for Trump, there are 13 counties where Trump got more votes than there were Republicans registered to vote (i.e., more than 100% of registered Rs).

The list: Armstrong, Beaver, Cambria, Carbon, Elk, Fayette, Greene, Indiana, Lackawanna, Lawrence, Luzerne, Washington and Westmoreland.

Most of these counties are in western Pa and the voters here have been steadily becoming more conservative voting. Voting registration has changed, and is continuing to change, from D to R, but it's not complete yet.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
26. There were court orders in PA about KGB/GOP fraud
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:34 PM
Nov 2016

So hopefully they will be on that. I do not live in PA, but my KGB/GOP brother served time there, lol (we don't speak)

Amishman

(5,795 posts)
47. Not what you think. GOP was forbidden to have poll watchers in Philly
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:09 PM
Nov 2016

The Republicans were freaking out that this would allow our side to commit fraud.

The back story is that there are parts of Philly so blue that the Pubs couldn't find residents to be poll watchers. They asked to bring in watchers from outside and were denied. I wouldn't worry about those districts, there literally were no Republicans around to try anything.

Link to story

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-03/gop-barred-from-sending-poll-watchers-to-philadelphia

drm604

(16,230 posts)
68. Yes, because of PA law.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:01 PM
Nov 2016

In PA there are restrictions on who can be a poll watcher. I forget the exact details but to be a watcher. you have to be registered in that precinct, or maybe you just have to be registered in the county, I'm not sure which.

Philadelphia is heavily minority (and is it's own county) so I can easily imagine them having difficulty finding Republicans that could legally watch the polls.

4139

(1,976 posts)
28. The deadline passed Nov 21st... I think Jill was fish for something good for
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:50 PM
Nov 2016

the lawsuit filed this afternoon.... filed on behalf of 100 Pennsylvania voters

4139

(1,976 posts)
33. Deadline for 'citizen recount' was the 21st; deadline to contest in court is today
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:14 PM
Nov 2016

According to Wanda Murren, spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Department of State, the deadline under the law for a voter-initiated recount at the county level had been Monday, Nov. 21.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Despite-successful-fundraising-effort-recount-of-Pennsylvania-remains-difficult.html%3Famphtml%3Dy?client=safari

ELY08

(76 posts)
30. Well Pn
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:59 PM
Nov 2016

I think she did all she could do
It was up to us in Pa to do the rest. I can tell you I was scrambling because I was unaware of the recount laws and only found out yesterday.
I was able to get mine done in Leigh county
Its not steins fault. It was us, in Pa, fault, for not knowing the laws.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
32. I volunteered
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:06 PM
Nov 2016

but I started a new job today and, given the short time frame, there was simply no way that I could notarize and deliver an affadavit in time. And two other people were needed for just my precinct.

Since I did sign up I've been seeing the emails flying back and forth on the recount mailing list. People were confused about where to file. People were desperately trying to find voters to sign affadavits. People were trying to find available notaries.
And on top of all of that, apparently someone on FB was posting false stories saying don't bother, county clerks are refusing the affadavits, which wasn't true.

It does appear that there may be some precincts that have the necessary number of affadavits to trigger a recount, but there are many more that don't.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
50. I wonder what will happen to the surplus funds she raised
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:28 PM
Nov 2016

Millions more than she was able to raise throughout her entire campaign.

She figured out a way to get Democrats to give her money while she continues to bash Hillary Clinton.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
54. OMG! Give it a break! FEC has very STRICT REGULATIONS about this -
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:41 PM
Nov 2016

It's in a separate account only used for the purpose intended.

Greg Palist addressed this today on Randi Rhodes - saying it is a Republican talking point and there is zero concern.

Stein will probably need to raise even more money because the Wisconsin older white guys Election Committe are being assh**es and keep upping the money they want for their audit workers.

andym

(5,671 posts)
52. So isn't this a situation where a site like DU could have helped her.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:30 PM
Nov 2016

You would think with the social networks she could gather enough people, but the word really needs to get out faster.

pnwmom

(109,535 posts)
71. Why didn't she use that page to ask for volunteers willing to sign affidavits
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:09 PM
Nov 2016

since she needed them to go forward? Why take the money and not collect the volunteers for the affidavits? There are more than 9600 precincts and she needed 3 volunteers from each.

apcalc

(4,517 posts)
56. I filed affidavits this morning with two other voters from my precinct.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:53 PM
Nov 2016

The affidavit asked for not only a recount, but the affidavit asked for a forensic analysis of the lousy machines we use. Two of us have volunteered to monitor a recount.

It is DISGRACEFUL in the way we vote.

I'll file affidavits very year from now on because the way it is done is completely unacceptable .

Fraud and Hack waiting to happen....

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
58. OMG it's Gore deja vu. Why in the world did Hillary concede? she should have
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:03 PM
Nov 2016

said, I will concede after a recount in the close states if I am short. Conceding says to all the world you lost.

womanofthehills

(9,219 posts)
73. Bucks County also delaying certification
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:44 PM
Nov 2016

“They’re also seeking a forensic analysis of the voting machines,” he said, “because they believe there is some funny business or fraud or something that took place with the machines themselves, that they were capable of being hacked.”

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/11/28/pennsylvania-election-results-recount/

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
79. The fact that the DNC is staying neutral on this makes me very angry.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:21 PM
Nov 2016

Anyone who believes there was no maleficence on behalf of the Republicans is living in a fairy land.

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