The Battle Begins As Wisconsin Denies Jill Stein Request For Statewide Hand Recount

[TheBlackAdder]

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The Wisconsin Elections Commission has denied a request by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein for a hand recount of all ballots.

The AP reported, “The Wisconsin Elections Commission has voted unanimously to reject a request from Green Party candidate Jill Stein to conduct a hand recount of the presidential vote. Instead, the commission Monday voted to allow local election clerks to determine the method they would use for a recount.”

Stein can appeal, and ask a judge to order the recount by hand, but it appears that the plan is to simply run the same ballots through the voting machines again. Running the ballots through the machines again will accomplish nothing, as Stein is claiming that the election system is not secure and could have been compromised.

More at the jump...


http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/28/battle-begins-wisconsin-denies-jill-stein-request-statewide-hand-recount.html



What kind of bullshit is this, to let the local clerks decide?

So, the guys padding the tallies get to decide if they are scrutinized? Banana Republic 101.


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[MattP]

1. What are they charging millions for?

[Apex812]

3. It was a Jill Stein fundraiser/Money might get used for a recount fundraiser.

Desperate people donated because it was better than doing nothing and laying down and accepting the results. If only Hillary Clinton had the money to get lawyers to get proper audits....

[UCmeNdc]

10. Well they cannot say it costs too much. Jill has the money to pay for a hand recount.

Why not have a hand recount Wisconsin election committee?

This makes no sense.

[sfwriter]

27. They are always hiding the actual ballots.

Why?

I say mandatory recounts every year. But, I've been saying it since DU started.

-SFWriter

[shraby]

2. If I remember right, the Election Commission was recently jiggered by Walker's minions.

Can't remember the details, but it's been tampered with to favor the repubs.

[mythology]

21. The commision chairmain is a Democrat and it's 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans

The decision was unanimous. It was rejected because it's exceptionally unlikely to change anything.

[bigmonkey]

44. Why is the fact-free assertion that it's "unlikely to change anything" relevant?

That's the question.

[womanofthehills]

35. Walker just appointed all his buddies to the election commission

The committee keeps raising the amt of money they want

[former9thward]

47. Not true.

The election commission is 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans. The Governor appoints 2, one R and one D. The other 4 are appointed by the Democrats and Republicans in the legislature. The Chairman, a Democrat, was appointed by the Democratic leader in the Assembly.

http://elections.wi.gov/about/members

[dogindia]

4. Wonder whose funny little figures are in this

Guess I am not surprised.

After the tweet fest and over the top reaction.

[UCmeNdc]

5. hey if she is paying for a hand recount why not have a hand recount?

Why do these election commissions do everything half way? Why not have a complete recount? It is not costing them any money.

[TheBlackAdder]

7. Exactly. And why was it a unanimous decision by the commission? Not one patriot.

[UCmeNdc]

11. Why does the commission decide to do an improper recount?

This isn't really a full transparent recount!

[Amishman]

25. The decision makes sense given the concerns are with electronic voting, not paper

Ask for a hand recount of paper ballots when you claim the electronic voting machines are the problem is like insisting they replace your car stereo when the airbag is recalled.

[TheFrenchRazor]

41. What?? comparing a hand count to a machine count will tell if the machines are accurate. nt

[bigmonkey]

45. You have this exactly backwards.

The paper ballots are a corrective to electronic errors. That's why they are kept, because they are a more permanent, much less easily manipulated record.

[Farmgirl1961]

6. So...no plan to appeal and ask a judge to order the recount by hand????

[TheBlackAdder]

9. I think that is still up in the air.

[Farmgirl1961]

15. Can we put some pressure on this process and on Jill Stein to do this?

[Ellipsis]

20. I'd guess it's in the works...

Portage county will recount by hand.

That might be interesting.

[Arazi]

24. Yes, she's going to sue

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/


Madison — The Wisconsin Elections Commission set a timetable Monday for a recount of the presidential election but rejected a request to conduct it by hand made by Green Party candidate Jill Stein, who quickly responded that she would sue.

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[red dog 1]

29. Thanks for that link

It's a better article than the OP....gives more info

[TheFrenchRazor]

40. Praise be... nt

[jodymarie aimee]

8. FUCK MY GOVERNOR

he has gotten away with this for 6 years now. We live in a prison state.

[frazzled]

12. This is all the Wisconsin recount law provides for

I posted that last week. I felt from the beginning that anyone who donated was being suckered by Stein. It was in black-and-white in the WI recount provisions law. You should be mad at Stein more than Wisconsin: she led you to believe there would be a hand recount by some independent group, when all there ever was was a provision for a county-by-county check by the same election officials who did it the first time.

[UCmeNdc]

14. This is the fault of the WI election committee. WI can perform a full hand recount.Illegality Hidden

The Wisconsin Elections Commission has denied a request by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein for a hand recount of all ballots.

They do not want a full transparent recount.

[frazzled]

17. I posted this last week

when everyone was donating, thinking Stein would get a hand recount. That was before the election commission met:

For state and federal elections, the county boards of canvassers for the counties in which the contested votes are cast conduct the recount. The Wisconsin Elections Commission recommends that the board of canvassers be composed of the same people who initially canvassed the election results.

http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/publication/65/recount_manual_11_2016_pdf_17034.pdf

[UCmeNdc]

19. Well I say be mad at the WI election commission. They have the money to do a recount by hand.

Do the recount by hand. If you really want transparency!

[Tiggeroshii]

18. The biggest concern is with the dre machines.

It would be highly inefficient, and take far too long to turn them on and reprogram them to get the results. Easiest would be to just count the paper recordings, which is what I would assume most precincts will do anyway.

[UCmeNdc]

16. Well Jill Stein has the money to pay for it so the lack of money is no excuse.

If she did not have the money they would have claimed a full recount cannot be done because it is too expensive.

[KittyWampus]

26. You don't get to tell us to be mad at Stein. That's YOUR opinion and worth as much

as anyone offered to pay you for it.

[frazzled]

28. Whoa!

Sorry the facts dismay you so much. The accusation in your post is officially alertable--but I'll just take it you're having a bad, bad day and let it go at that. Go take a rest.

[bigmonkey]

46. Not facts, assertions.

Portraying your opinions as facts is a little overweening.

[tandem5]

13. Shocked! I am shocked I tell you!

[jmg257]

22. better donate more , she is going to need lots of money

"Stein is going to need to go to court, and if the 2000 recount is a guide, she will need to raise a great deal of money, because most of the critical battles in the process will play out in court, not at tables in precincts around the state."

"Updated. The Wisconsin Elections Commission has denied a request by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to perform a recount of ballots by hand and she is prepared to go to court to challenge the decision, according to media reports. The recount will begin Thursday if payment for the process is received by Tuesday."

[forthemiddle]

23. That is how the law is written

It's not BS, it's the clear writing of the law. The commission can rule otherwise, but they are not required to.

And by the way, it was a unanimous ruling by the bipartisan board.

[zonkers]

30. #WHATARETHEYHIDING

[red dog 1]

31. Democrats on the Wisconsin Elections Commission ..

..should be ashamed of themselves, especially the Chairman,
Mark Thomsen.

If the 2012 Recall election is any indication, a statewide hand count is necessary to ensure that there was no tampering.with the machines.

"Recall Election Fraud in Wisconsin? You Betcha!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101630961

"Meet Command Central: The People in Charge of Wisconsin Voting machines"
http://wcmcoop.com/2012/05/22/meet-command-central-the-people-in-charge-of-wisconsin-voting-machines/

[deminwi]

32. The WI Election Board has 3 Democrats and 3 Repugs

Please stop accusing the good Democrats on the WI Elections Board as being bad people or unethical. As a citizen of WI, I trust them far more than anyone from out of state. They ruled against a hand recount along with the 3 Repugs......it happens and I trust them.

[womanofthehills]

37. It's up to each country now to decide on a hand count

[cureautismnow]

33. There was ONE Programmer for the Wisconsin Machines...

...and she REFUSED to take an ethics exam.

https://mn.gov/law-library-stat/archive/ctapun/0701/opa060271-0116.htm

And she works just down the hall from MICHELLE BACHMAN.

The motto for her company is:

"Your partner for successful elections!"

https://www.facebook.com/ccelections/?hc_location=ufi

[TheFrenchRazor]

39. wow. and has *anybody* else looked at that software? doubt it. what a joke. nt

[red dog 1]

34. Jill Stein should ask for a "risk-limiting" audit

A "risk-limiting" audit is an audit that manually examines a random sample of the ballots in a way that has a large chance of detecting and correcting incorrect results.
If the reported winner of a contest really won, a risk-limiting audit generally needs to examine only a small fraction of the ballots.
But if a reported winner actually lost, a risk-limiting audit has a large chance of indicating that a full hand count is needed to set the record straight."
(From..USA Today: Still Time for an Election Audit)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028290706

[womanofthehills]

36. 78 counties - up to each county if they will do a hand count

People who live in Wisconsin can pressure their county for a hand count

[Ellipsis]

43. 72

[TheFrenchRazor]

38. nothing to see here folks, move along... nt

[andym]

42. Always clear that auditing the election would not be easy. NT.

[AgadorSparticus]

48. Wtf, Wisconsin?!!?!!?!!!