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Botany

(72,497 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:14 AM Nov 2016

Exit Poll Results Machine Vote Counts were Altered in S.E. Kansas

http://showmethevotes.org/2016/11/28/exit-poll-results-machine-vote-counts-were-altered-in-s-e-kansas/

Exit Poll Results – Machine Vote Counts were Altered in S.E. Kansas

The Show Me The Votes Foundation sponsored five citizens’ exit polls in S.E. Kansas to assess the accuracy of machine vote counts. The results of these citizens exit polls provide tangible evidence of election fraud in the presidential race. I designed the exit polls explicitly so they would provide evidence of election fraud should any be present. The only better evidence would be an audit showing the discrepancies in the actual ballots. But audits of the voting machine results are not allowed in these Kansas counties.

Exit polls – taken as people are leaving the polling place – are extremely accurate at capturing the vote share of candidates. Staffed by volunteers from the polls open to their close, we achieved outstanding response rates. These are shown in the table below.

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Since Trump won Kansas with 54% of the vote to Hillary’s 36%, even assuming this shift held across Kansas (it didn’t), it was well below Trump’s margin of victory, so this manipulation of votes did not alter the outcome. Still, it is disturbing evidence that the machine vote counts are being altered. In other states, which use similar equipment, manipulation at this level could have changed who won the Presidency.

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These exit poll results more than justify a call to audit the voting records and a profound skepticism in the results of machine counted votes.


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Time for America to rise up and admit that they have been rigging the vote for years. Ever wonder how
people like Gov. Brownback and Gov. Walker stay in power.
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Exit Poll Results Machine Vote Counts were Altered in S.E. Kansas (Original Post) Botany Nov 2016 OP
Rec anamandujano Nov 2016 #1
We need a nationwide audit. Cracklin Charlie Nov 2016 #2
Definitely a do over with paper ballots only and .. ananda Nov 2016 #3
I have been looking at this link. Cracklin Charlie Nov 2016 #9
Downballot shennanigans. haele Nov 2016 #20
Money to be "made"? Cracklin Charlie Nov 2016 #21
In the long run, it would be better to refer to this behavior as criminal. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #22
I think it should be standard practice with every (national?) election that there be a system ToxMarz Nov 2016 #6
Best 2 out of 3? Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #26
Surprise, surprise, surprise...not. 2naSalit Nov 2016 #4
I think this has been going on for 2 decades... Sancho Nov 2016 #5
The critical bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #7
Yep, we need a nationwide audit. lark Nov 2016 #8
When did you know, lark? Cracklin Charlie Nov 2016 #10
When WI was announced, I knew the fix was totally in. lark Nov 2016 #14
I didnt even last til Indiana or Wis - for me it was when they were dragging their feet about Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2016 #24
My state is Missouri. Cracklin Charlie Nov 2016 #27
Seems strange that they would rig Kansas, a state they regularly dominate (even in pre-polls). nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #11
Gov. Brownback was unpopular with both republican and democrats but somehow ... Botany Nov 2016 #12
Unpopular doesn't mean that Rs won't vote R like they always do. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #15
Rigging for local candidates is just as likely bhikkhu Nov 2016 #16
Exit polls are infallible. So, yeah -- lock 'em up. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #13
except they are not, of course...unfortunately exit polls in the US are not designed to detect fraud Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #17
We don't have polling places in WA anymore but when we did AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #18
A personal anecdote doesn't outweigh science. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #23
MSM normalized fraud long ago triron Nov 2016 #28
"Realism" of that sort buys us nothing but a bleak future. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #29
Up to the people triron Nov 2016 #30
Americans don't like being asked those kinds of questions. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #31
curious-- why did you lie to the exit pollsters? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #25
Because asking questions like that is a bit like walking up to someone and asking AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #32
I miss Andy S. annabanana Nov 2016 #19
i wonder how ballot is. mopinko Nov 2016 #34
The Russian-Republican hactivist cabal is laffing its ass off at America Achilleaze Nov 2016 #33

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
2. We need a nationwide audit.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 12:08 PM
Nov 2016

A new election, even.

It would appear that they wanted bigly to win the popular vote.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
9. I have been looking at this link.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 12:49 PM
Nov 2016

It would seem to me, that evidence like this is critical to making people understand how our democracy is being slowly stolen from us.

Why then, the need to cheat (let's call this what it is) in Kansas?
According to conventional wisdom, KS electoral vote was always going to Trump.

So, why the need to cheat? I also would love to know how far down the ballot these cheaters are operating. Surely, the Tangerine nightmare is not the only beneficiary in this nationwide scam.

Maybe the conventional wisdom is wrong, and has been for several election cycles, now.

Why does the corporate media not tell us the truth?

haele

(13,538 posts)
20. Downballot shennanigans.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:17 PM
Nov 2016

Keep a "moderate" republican or a conservative democrat out who might interfere with Koch/Brownback's stranglehold on the state.
Remember, Brownback's predecessor Sibelius came from Kansas. There are still some people who aren't totally brainwashed there, and so long as there's still money to be made, the current fascists in charge want to ensure they remain in charge.

Haele

bigmonkey

(1,798 posts)
22. In the long run, it would be better to refer to this behavior as criminal.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:02 PM
Nov 2016

"Shennanigans" frames it as silly and unimportant, whereas it's exactly the opposite.

ToxMarz

(2,250 posts)
6. I think it should be standard practice with every (national?) election that there be a system
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 12:43 PM
Nov 2016

of mandatory random audits/recounts to ensure election integrity. Something completely non-partisan that would identify/root-out election fraud, voter fraud and system errors. Neither side will agree which is the problem, but would seem everyone could agree on this.

lark

(24,174 posts)
8. Yep, we need a nationwide audit.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 12:46 PM
Nov 2016

Funny how all the skewing is ALWAYS ALWAYS to the right, never to the left. Notice that Repugs never took over the house until after electronic voting machines, all made by companies that are very RW and whose owners support Repug candidates by donating tons of money, became commonplace.

I knew on 11/8 that the election had been stolen and still firmly believe that only now the evidence is starting to become more well known. Audit every single state where the margin of difference is less than 2% and the true winner will be revealed!

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
10. When did you know, lark?
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 12:52 PM
Nov 2016

For me, it was when Indiana was announced very early on.

That felt to me like a signal to someone that the fix was in. Every single thing was downhill from there.

Edit to add: I just saw a report that the percentage of discrepancy between exit poll/actual vote for my state was 16%...a huge number!

Audit, please!

lark

(24,174 posts)
14. When WI was announced, I knew the fix was totally in.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:00 PM
Nov 2016

I thought it was in for FL, somehow all the folks in Hilliard and Brevard County didn't vote for president (?) but all the rural county folks did (?), but there are a lot of teahadists here, so wasn't certain. When the call for WI came in, I was totally certain. I told my husband then, the elections' been stolen and have been firm in that belief ever since. Then I saw the charts and the impossible results in 4 swing states compared to pre-vote polls and exit polls, and my burning feeling was validated.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,881 posts)
24. I didnt even last til Indiana or Wis - for me it was when they were dragging their feet about
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:32 PM
Nov 2016

calling Pennsylvania one way or another- I wondered, why should there be any question about Pennsyvlania? It was this terrible sinking feeling, like 2004 all over again so I turned it off early beiore ANYTHING was announced and I just went to sleep with the awareness that it would probably be my last good nights sleep for some time. In the a.m. I put off turning on radio or checking email until I had a good breakfast.

And then all that BS the next day from commentators about these poor misunderstood Trump voters too embarrassed to tell an anonymous pollster or to enter the data anonymously online??? NOT BUYING IT.

Phew - 16% discrepancy? That just cant be. What state was this?

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
27. My state is Missouri.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:07 PM
Nov 2016

We had a full slate of really good democratic candidates, and not a single one of them was elected. Not a one.

Also, I need to correct my numbers. The discrepancy between exit polls and actual vote for Missouri was really only 10%. Still a big number. I am not so good with math matters.

The chart that I saw was from TDMS research. I don't know how to link to it here.

Botany

(72,497 posts)
12. Gov. Brownback was unpopular with both republican and democrats but somehow ...
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 12:58 PM
Nov 2016

.... he won re-election after tanking the state. This is about running up the score
and control over the outcome of the vote.

A professor @ Wichita State University has shown that voting machines drop democratic
votes as a function of precinct size. This was not limited to Kansas too.

http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article27951310.html

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
15. Unpopular doesn't mean that Rs won't vote R like they always do.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:03 PM
Nov 2016

Especially somewhere like Kansas.

Case in point: Trump.

bhikkhu

(10,757 posts)
16. Rigging for local candidates is just as likely
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:34 PM
Nov 2016

and just as easy for for an election official to manage in a blind, unmonitored and unverified system.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
17. except they are not, of course...unfortunately exit polls in the US are not designed to detect fraud
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:36 PM
Nov 2016

at least the ones typically done by news organizations

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
18. We don't have polling places in WA anymore but when we did
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:39 PM
Nov 2016

I and many of my friends would make sport of the exit pollsters, giving intentionally bullshit responses.

By all means, audit the election results, but this 'exit polls are extremely accurate' line in the article is full on stupendous bullshit.

bigmonkey

(1,798 posts)
23. A personal anecdote doesn't outweigh science.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:05 PM
Nov 2016

Exit polls are used worldwide to detect fraudulent elections, except in the U.S., where the methodology was changed because the exit polls indicated fraudulent elections!

 

triron

(22,240 posts)
30. Up to the people
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:44 PM
Nov 2016

to educate themselves and learn critical thinking. MSM does not foster critical thinking.
They want to preserve the status quo.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
31. Americans don't like being asked those kinds of questions.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:29 AM
Nov 2016

We're an inherently distrustful society.

Sample size is the ONLY control a exit survey can use to overcome deceptive or sarcastic respondents. CNN's sample size was pitifully small, some 24k in this election. 5% error bars out of the gate, and other issues means exit surveys are only a 'reasonable guess'.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
32. Because asking questions like that is a bit like walking up to someone and asking
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:32 AM
Nov 2016

how much their paycheck is, or what size bra they wear.

I was raised to consider voting a civic duty and an intensely personal and private choice. I also feel the MSM 'need' to present results as quickly as possible on as little data as possible inherently offensive, and something of a direct affront to the states where polls close latest, being told who is 'ahead', possibly altering the motivation of the voters and outcome of the election.

mopinko

(71,831 posts)
34. i wonder how ballot is.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:21 AM
Nov 2016

i guess he is not a puppy any more.

i wonder how his partner is. i dont remember his name, but i know a few people around here kept in touch w him.

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