2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumExit Poll Results Machine Vote Counts were Altered in S.E. Kansas
http://showmethevotes.org/2016/11/28/exit-poll-results-machine-vote-counts-were-altered-in-s-e-kansas/Exit Poll Results Machine Vote Counts were Altered in S.E. Kansas
The Show Me The Votes Foundation sponsored five citizens exit polls in S.E. Kansas to assess the accuracy of machine vote counts. The results of these citizens exit polls provide tangible evidence of election fraud in the presidential race. I designed the exit polls explicitly so they would provide evidence of election fraud should any be present. The only better evidence would be an audit showing the discrepancies in the actual ballots. But audits of the voting machine results are not allowed in these Kansas counties.
Exit polls taken as people are leaving the polling place are extremely accurate at capturing the vote share of candidates. Staffed by volunteers from the polls open to their close, we achieved outstanding response rates. These are shown in the table below.
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Since Trump won Kansas with 54% of the vote to Hillarys 36%, even assuming this shift held across Kansas (it didnt), it was well below Trumps margin of victory, so this manipulation of votes did not alter the outcome. Still, it is disturbing evidence that the machine vote counts are being altered. In other states, which use similar equipment, manipulation at this level could have changed who won the Presidency.
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These exit poll results more than justify a call to audit the voting records and a profound skepticism in the results of machine counted votes.
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Time for America to rise up and admit that they have been rigging the vote for years. Ever wonder how
people like Gov. Brownback and Gov. Walker stay in power.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)A new election, even.
It would appear that they wanted bigly to win the popular vote.
ananda
(30,827 posts).. monitors in all questionable states.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)It would seem to me, that evidence like this is critical to making people understand how our democracy is being slowly stolen from us.
Why then, the need to cheat (let's call this what it is) in Kansas?
According to conventional wisdom, KS electoral vote was always going to Trump.
So, why the need to cheat? I also would love to know how far down the ballot these cheaters are operating. Surely, the Tangerine nightmare is not the only beneficiary in this nationwide scam.
Maybe the conventional wisdom is wrong, and has been for several election cycles, now.
Why does the corporate media not tell us the truth?
haele
(13,538 posts)Keep a "moderate" republican or a conservative democrat out who might interfere with Koch/Brownback's stranglehold on the state.
Remember, Brownback's predecessor Sibelius came from Kansas. There are still some people who aren't totally brainwashed there, and so long as there's still money to be made, the current fascists in charge want to ensure they remain in charge.
Haele
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I might use a different term.
bigmonkey
(1,798 posts)"Shennanigans" frames it as silly and unimportant, whereas it's exactly the opposite.
ToxMarz
(2,250 posts)of mandatory random audits/recounts to ensure election integrity. Something completely non-partisan that would identify/root-out election fraud, voter fraud and system errors. Neither side will agree which is the problem, but would seem everyone could agree on this.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)2naSalit
(92,779 posts)Sancho
(9,103 posts)bucolic_frolic
(47,039 posts)bottleneck choke points of tabulation are greased well
lark
(24,174 posts)Funny how all the skewing is ALWAYS ALWAYS to the right, never to the left. Notice that Repugs never took over the house until after electronic voting machines, all made by companies that are very RW and whose owners support Repug candidates by donating tons of money, became commonplace.
I knew on 11/8 that the election had been stolen and still firmly believe that only now the evidence is starting to become more well known. Audit every single state where the margin of difference is less than 2% and the true winner will be revealed!
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)For me, it was when Indiana was announced very early on.
That felt to me like a signal to someone that the fix was in. Every single thing was downhill from there.
Edit to add: I just saw a report that the percentage of discrepancy between exit poll/actual vote for my state was 16%...a huge number!
Audit, please!
lark
(24,174 posts)I thought it was in for FL, somehow all the folks in Hilliard and Brevard County didn't vote for president (?) but all the rural county folks did (?), but there are a lot of teahadists here, so wasn't certain. When the call for WI came in, I was totally certain. I told my husband then, the elections' been stolen and have been firm in that belief ever since. Then I saw the charts and the impossible results in 4 swing states compared to pre-vote polls and exit polls, and my burning feeling was validated.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,881 posts)calling Pennsylvania one way or another- I wondered, why should there be any question about Pennsyvlania? It was this terrible sinking feeling, like 2004 all over again so I turned it off early beiore ANYTHING was announced and I just went to sleep with the awareness that it would probably be my last good nights sleep for some time. In the a.m. I put off turning on radio or checking email until I had a good breakfast.
And then all that BS the next day from commentators about these poor misunderstood Trump voters too embarrassed to tell an anonymous pollster or to enter the data anonymously online??? NOT BUYING IT.
Phew - 16% discrepancy? That just cant be. What state was this?
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)We had a full slate of really good democratic candidates, and not a single one of them was elected. Not a one.
Also, I need to correct my numbers. The discrepancy between exit polls and actual vote for Missouri was really only 10%. Still a big number. I am not so good with math matters.
The chart that I saw was from TDMS research. I don't know how to link to it here.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Botany
(72,497 posts).... he won re-election after tanking the state. This is about running up the score
and control over the outcome of the vote.
A professor @ Wichita State University has shown that voting machines drop democratic
votes as a function of precinct size. This was not limited to Kansas too.
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article27951310.html
TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)Especially somewhere like Kansas.
Case in point: Trump.
bhikkhu
(10,757 posts)and just as easy for for an election official to manage in a blind, unmonitored and unverified system.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)at least the ones typically done by news organizations
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I and many of my friends would make sport of the exit pollsters, giving intentionally bullshit responses.
By all means, audit the election results, but this 'exit polls are extremely accurate' line in the article is full on stupendous bullshit.
bigmonkey
(1,798 posts)Exit polls are used worldwide to detect fraudulent elections, except in the U.S., where the methodology was changed because the exit polls indicated fraudulent elections!
triron
(22,240 posts)bigmonkey
(1,798 posts)The status quo is never inalterable.
triron
(22,240 posts)to educate themselves and learn critical thinking. MSM does not foster critical thinking.
They want to preserve the status quo.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)We're an inherently distrustful society.
Sample size is the ONLY control a exit survey can use to overcome deceptive or sarcastic respondents. CNN's sample size was pitifully small, some 24k in this election. 5% error bars out of the gate, and other issues means exit surveys are only a 'reasonable guess'.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)how much their paycheck is, or what size bra they wear.
I was raised to consider voting a civic duty and an intensely personal and private choice. I also feel the MSM 'need' to present results as quickly as possible on as little data as possible inherently offensive, and something of a direct affront to the states where polls close latest, being told who is 'ahead', possibly altering the motivation of the voters and outcome of the election.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)mopinko
(71,831 posts)i guess he is not a puppy any more.
i wonder how his partner is. i dont remember his name, but i know a few people around here kept in touch w him.