How many does it take to have Trump committed. The guy is a total loon!!! n/t

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[bravenak]

1. Ivanka could do it if she cared

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4. She might have to do it down the road. I think he'll become quite unhinged in his presidency. n/t

[bravenak]

7. Once they have to file bankruptcy again she will probably have to do it

I hope we can get a full boycott going to help him along in his insanity

[Hekate]

19. He's personally wrecking all the retail stores on the street where the Tower squats by refusing....

....to move out. Ugh. And can you imagine the life of the other tenants in that building? Trump's an unbelievably selfish person.

[bravenak]

20. I hope he keeps pissing people off everywhere he goes

He is such a fucking disgrace.

[elleng]

2. Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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3. It well might come to this. He is clearly unbalanced, no question at all! n/t

[elleng]

5. Keith O came up with it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=412476

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9. Thanks!!! n/t

[FBaggins]

12. Impeachment is easier

and you have to ask yourself whether you prefer Pence.

[elleng]

13. Surely don't 'prefer' pence, but might be better/rational.

I don't think impeachment is easier, requires both houses of congress and a full 'trial.' and actual misconduct. The Constitution gives the House of Representatives the right to impeach the president. Impeachment means that a charge of misconduct is filed against the president. A majority of the members of the House must vote for these charges in order to impeach the president. ... Two-thirds of the senators must vote for conviction.

[unblock]

6. speaking as someone with a mentally ill brother, this is remarkably difficult.

even for ordinary people, never mind the potus.

well, it would have been easier before he turned 18, but that's no help here anyway.

in practice, the easiest way to get someone "into the system" is for them to break a serious law. police and emt's can be especially helpful here as some things like "assault" are far more serious crimes against such protected people.

remember that "assault" can be merely a credible threat of violence (actual violence is battery). police and emt's are assaulted in this manner all the time and often don't make a big deal of it, it's just part of the gig (happened to me once) but if the assaulter is mentally ill, pursuing charges helps get them the treatment they need.

that's what happened to my brother. he was hallucinating on a bus, the emt's came, they tried to inject him, and he threatened the emt. so they filed charges and he got proper treatment. for a while, anyway.


unfortunately, not much help with donald. he could pummel a decorated, wheelchair-bound officer on national tv and not get charged with anything.

a better chance is a majority of the cabinet deciding he's incapacitated under the 25th amendment.

but that merely gets us pence....

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10. I think something will happen, I don't think Trump has the flexibility to handle all of the criticism

one gets even as a good president. I think he will crack under the pressure. The discussion by Keith Olbermann earlier in this thread is very interesting if you've not yet watched it.

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14. He will simply surround himself with sycophants who will shield him from criticism

He'll only really have to face criticism during press conferences, which will be infrequent.

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15. Unless some of his cohorts decide to use the 25th amendment to get him out of the way. n/t

[unblock]

17. That's a wait and see. They don't really want that.

It's not a process that helps their party or their power. In fact, the Donnie clown show provides cover for all kinds of crap they'll pull quietly.

They'll invoke the 25th only if he does something horrible.

[RKP5637]

18. Good point on that ... he provides a smoke screen for their crap! n/t

[anamandujano]

32. They haven't been able to protect him from the recount news & his twitter feed.

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33. give it time....

[Nay]

8. You have to wonder at what point the docs are going to step in. He's unhinged, ffs. nt

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11. And I think, eventually, the hinges are going to fly off. He's a basket case. n/t

[unblock]

16. Technically, it's not a problem until it's a problem.

Plenty of successful people have conditions such as narcissism, egomania, etc., but these things aren't really "disorders" until they have a negative impact on life.

As long as Donnie is "successful", it's hard for someone to officially intervene.

Of course, it's more complicated when it's the rest of us who suffer....

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24. Yep, this is likely what will happen, others will also cover for him ... unless Pence, for example,

decides he wants to be president and Trump is moved out of the way.

[anamandujano]

31. These successful crazies do not have the kind of Power about to be handed to Trump.

[arthritisR_US]

21. Just one, his Dr...and Ben Carson doesn't count.

[BSdetect]

22. I don't know when this mishmash of an "impeachment" process was written but

we don't have 4 days or 21 days to wait while some deranged idiot has the nuclear codes at his disposal.

That is a deeply flawed scenario.

[exboyfil]

27. The VP and a majority of the Cabinet

can step in. I think Pence would be rational when it comes to this type of life and death situation. Hopefully there are not enough of Trump's sycophant's on the Cabinet to stop the process.

This story is of questionable veracity, but Schlesinger reported:

In 1974, as Nixon prepared to resign as a result of the Watergate scandal, Schlesinger ostensibly worried about Nixon’s stability. He instructed the military, we are told, not to react to White House orders, particularly on nuclear matters. He supposedly prepared plans to deploy troops in Washington if there were anything but a peaceful succession.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanley-kutler/the-imaginings-of-james-r_b_5066130.html

In actuality I see something like this playing out if a launch order is given for example. Of course the President could always remove the general's hand and place it on the scanner (joke).

[Vinca]

23. Can't a judge declare him nuts and pack him off to "get help?" Calling the amazing RBG.

[exboyfil]

28. Not without starting a Constitutional crisis

The Chief Justice, other than presiding over the Senate trial, and the rest of the Supreme Court has no role in it.

[GoCubsGo]

25. One beyond his installation.

They're not going to do anything until he is installed, then they will take him out and install Pence, as has been the plan all along.

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26. Yeah, that's what I'm beginning to think too. n/t

[hamsterjill]

29. Hell, Pence is starting to look "normal" compared to the orange maniac.

Did I really just say that? Because Pence is an abomination, especially on women's rights.

But things have gotten to that point. Trump is dangerous enough that even Pence looks better.

We are all screwed.

[anamandujano]

30. I just went there in a thread ahead of this one in latest threads.

He is in complete meltdown and cannot last several more weeks.