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Botany

(72,590 posts)
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 09:47 AM Nov 2016

Any state that used "Crosscheck" should at the very least be challenged.

How many states ran the software program called "crosscheck?" And if so their
outcomes should be challenged. This was not an election but a criminal action
to manipulate the outcome reguardless of how the people voted.

We need an audit of any state that ran "Crosscheck." Call or write the POTUS,
Dem. Congress Critters, the D o J, and the (what I think is useless) DNC.


http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

On Tuesday, we saw Crosscheck elect a Republican Senate and as President, Donald Trump. The electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters, methods detailed in my book and film, including “Caging,” “purging,” blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to “provisional” ballots that will never be counted.

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Any state that used "Crosscheck" should at the very least be challenged. (Original Post) Botany Nov 2016 OP
The time to challenge that SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #1
Many things about this election should be challenged - but they won't. CousinIT Nov 2016 #2
There needs to be a national system SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #3
Just doing that isn't enough, since it would provide one single "hack" point. Needs audits SharonAnn Nov 2016 #4
Yes, we need those things SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #6
Reid and Pelosi DK504 Nov 2016 #13
To better understand what happened, yes. To impact the results? Won't work. Ruth Bonner Nov 2016 #5
K&R 2naSalit Nov 2016 #7
Just Another Election Theft colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #8
Michigan doesn't use electronic voting machines n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #9
Ohio does and the SoS shut off audit and security function... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2016 #20
I don't care "if it won't work" too late, etc Ligyron Nov 2016 #10
One problem though SHRED Nov 2016 #11
love this snot Nov 2016 #16
Unfortunately, the Democrats left in office will not do this. Exilednight Nov 2016 #12
Still keeping that powder dry. They_Live Nov 2016 #24
Hack Bear Creek Nov 2016 #14
Apparently all good Democrats aren't supposed to worry about this nikto Jan 2017 #25
I would guess jimlup Nov 2016 #15
Mandatory voting would solve a lot of problems world wide wally Nov 2016 #17
Who is filing the lawsuit to cilla4progress Nov 2016 #18
I have explained CrossCheck to friends... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2016 #19
" ... as being double or triple voters ..." Botany Nov 2016 #21
Yep... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2016 #22
DEmocratic Party silence on this is conspicuous, IMO nikto Jan 2017 #26
My husband was on the list. He voted though OKNancy Nov 2016 #23
Same thing. We moved and got a card in the mail with a verification number. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #27
NOW WHAT?? essaynnc Jan 2017 #28

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,383 posts)
1. The time to challenge that
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 09:49 AM
Nov 2016

is before the election, not after. It's not like there can be a re-vote after putting anyone wrongly removed back on the voter rolls.

CousinIT

(10,344 posts)
2. Many things about this election should be challenged - but they won't.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:18 AM
Nov 2016

They weren't in 2000 either and they should have been. Now, this next time, the election fraud is even more blatant and even worse, with Russian bad actors interfering. This is not only a national issue but also a national security issue. And nothing will be done. Then, next time the election fraud will be again many times worse and more blatant.

Our elections are a joke around the world. We're officially (IMO) a banana republic run by dictator-sociopaths.

We're DONE.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,383 posts)
3. There needs to be a national system
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:22 AM
Nov 2016

that states can use to keep their voter rolls up to date and eliminate dual registrations, IMO. That isn't a function that should be left up to states, who then contract it out to private companies.

Of course, then you get into a national voter registration system, which isn't Constitutional, so I'm not sure what the answer is.

SharonAnn

(13,896 posts)
4. Just doing that isn't enough, since it would provide one single "hack" point. Needs audits
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:38 AM
Nov 2016

There should be at least several things:

Voter Verified Paper Balots
Audits of election results

AND FAR BETTER SECURITY!

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,383 posts)
6. Yes, we need those things
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:41 AM
Nov 2016

But I'm talking about the voter rolls themselves, and ensuring that they are correct.

Completely different issue.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
13. Reid and Pelosi
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:58 AM
Nov 2016

THey will do nothing to ensure the citizens can vote. No one will demand a recount of all "crosscheck" systems nor will they demand a recount of Wisconsin or North Carolina.

Ruth Bonner

(192 posts)
5. To better understand what happened, yes. To impact the results? Won't work.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:41 AM
Nov 2016

Gerrymandering happened in states all across the nation over the past decade. When it happened in my state, Indiana, in 2013, I thought: "Who cares if IN goes from red to redder?" It's had a negative impact. My area of IN used to reliably keep a Democrat in Congress, but not now. Every seat matters and I was negligent.

colsohlibgal

(5,276 posts)
8. Just Another Election Theft
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:49 AM
Nov 2016

Gore beat the Shrub so did Kerry. And Hillary has been a robbery victim now.

That the democrats are once again accepting this without even a whimper is mind boggling. It is like an abused wife who will not fight back.

The voting red flags in some counties of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were only in areas using voting machines. We need to move away from them but there has been no real push by the Democratic Party to deep six them and that amazes me.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,113 posts)
20. Ohio does and the SoS shut off audit and security function...
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:53 AM
Nov 2016

... on ALL the electronic voting machines.

"So, voting rights attorney Robert Fitrakis was thrilled to learn that many of Ohio’s voting machines would, for this election, have a brand-new anti-hacking capability. The computers could now take a photo of every voter card loaded in, time stamp each marking and keep the images in an order that allows an audit and recount.

But there’s one thing wrong with the new tamper-proof voting machines. “They’ve decided to TURN OFF the security.”

What? In 2004, Ohio’s “push-and-pray” machines produced suspect tallies that won President George W. Bush’s re-election victory over Sen. John Kerry—although Kerry had a comfortable lead in exit polls. And in this year’s contest, the FBI has raised fears of fiddling these machines by Russian hackers.

Yet, the Republican Secretary of State of Ohio, Jon Husted, is allowing county officials to simply turn off these security functions—with no explanation as to why."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/vote-machines-audit-function-disabled-and-worse/5556029

Ligyron

(7,904 posts)
10. I don't care "if it won't work" too late, etc
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:53 AM
Nov 2016

We need to fight the GOP every step of the way 24/7 until we, and the majority of Americans, are back in the driver's seat.

We need Dem leaders to point out we won the popular vote from now until forever.

We have nothing to lose at this point.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
14. Hack
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:12 AM
Nov 2016

The voting machines must be abolished. They are all made by republican operatives. They can be hacked from the inside.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
25. Apparently all good Democrats aren't supposed to worry about this
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 04:15 AM
Jan 2017

Just stay mad at the Russians, dearies.

Ask no other questions, and move along.

jimlup

(8,008 posts)
15. I would guess
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:12 AM
Nov 2016

that while the "GOP" has the capability to do this on a local by local scale "Trump operatives" do not. If it was done I would bet a foreign power with an interest in the outcome. And yes, it would be extremely bad and have global ramifications if it were to turn out to be true.

I don't need to name names for you to guess who that "foreign power" likely is.

world wide wally

(21,835 posts)
17. Mandatory voting would solve a lot of problems
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:19 AM
Nov 2016

Or maybe a sizable tax reward.
BUT Republicans don't want people to vote and they have been rewarded with all the power.

Sounds like some unbelievable science fiction.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,113 posts)
19. I have explained CrossCheck to friends...
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:43 AM
Nov 2016

... and they give me TRIPLE TAKES that people with similar names can be scrubbed as being double or triple voters by the GOP SoS where it is used.

Botany

(72,590 posts)
21. " ... as being double or triple voters ..."
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:54 AM
Nov 2016

Who just happen to travel from places like Missouri to North Carolina to vote twice.

In Ohio where our Sec. of State Jon Husted, and runs "crosscheck" states proudly,
"In Ohio it is easy to vote but hard to cheat." God only knows how many million
votes were nulled out across America because of this scheme.

But the media and the democratic party will not do or say shit. This is 3rd stolen Presidential
election in 16 years.

BTW the man behind "crosscheck" Kris Kobach, Sec. of State of Kansas, is set to be Sec. of
Homeland Security for Trump.

BTW part 2 ... Ohio's own Kenny Blackwell "helped out" Trump in the election and is set to go work for
him in the White House.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,113 posts)
22. Yep...
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:00 PM
Nov 2016

... as in, "Joe B. Doe", of Ohio is compared to, "Joe M. Doe", of Pennsylvania and the software tells them only one can vote. The more states that have a, "Joe * Doe", the more of them scrubbed. (* is boolean for any letter or name)
 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
26. DEmocratic Party silence on this is conspicuous, IMO
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 04:18 AM
Jan 2017

"But the media and the democratic party will not do or say shit. This is 3rd stolen Presidential
election in 16 years."


Why do you think that is?


IMO, it comes from the top of the mainstream party, and
I find it creepy and discouraging.

The more you think about the implications (i.e. of the Dem elites' mindset),
the creepier it gets.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
23. My husband was on the list. He voted though
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:26 PM
Nov 2016

My husband's name is probably as common as "John Smith".
Every year ( or maybe every other year) we get a postcard saying call in or mail back the card
to verify address and name.
We do and have had no problem.

I can see where this would be a real problem if someone moved or had spotty mail, or was not aware the importance of a response.

SlimJimmy

(3,251 posts)
27. Same thing. We moved and got a card in the mail with a verification number.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 08:01 AM
Jan 2017

We took that to the polls and they used it, and a picture ID to verify that we should vote there.

essaynnc

(870 posts)
28. NOW WHAT??
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 08:04 AM
Jan 2017

So, what are the suggestions as to what to do? Perhaps we should pass a law in Congress?? Maybe the President should suggest something?? Those options will never happen . The problem as I see it the oversight of the election as well as all the rules for enforcement of what's on the books already have no sure way of being enforced if they don't want to. We'd be depending on the Republican legislature to do it, and they have no inclination. I'm not sure Mass protests in the street will do it. Shall we file a lawsuit looking to find cross-check unconstitutional? I'm out of ideas but we need a plan that has some possibility of working. What say you??

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