Buddhism
Related: About this forumI'd like to hear from some other DU'ers about their particular path and traditions.
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I am a member of the Order of Inter-being. It is a Vietnamese tradition following Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. I am a member of the Puget Sound Mindfulness Community and try to practice daily. I found Buddhism through reading Thay's books and just fell in love with his beautiful writing. My life hasn't been the same since. I am currently trying to bring more of my mindfulness practice to the office. It has certainly changed my perspective and brought more compassion and loving kindness into my life.
I would love to hear about other people's journeys.
A lotus for you, Buddha to be. _/l\_
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)I came in through the door held open by St. Alan Watts in the 60s, then went back out for 40 years while my ego was busy earning me a living. I came back in when the suffering became too great.
I'm for shit when it comes to formalism, tradition and ritual though, so I never subscribed to any particular school. Even going to a local Zen sangha was too much structure for me.
The parts of Buddhism that appeal to me include Thich Nhat Hahn's concept of interbeing (big time!), some forms of meditation (mostly vipassana), and of course the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path. I like the idea of Vajryana (thunderbolt enlightenment). I'm a fan of Tantra in the ways that it's similar to karma yoga - everything in life is grist for the mill.
The scriptural parts of Buddhism don't appeal to me. I don't sit for meditation regularly any more, though I use normal daily actions as opportunities for mindfulness. I think psychedelic drugs - especially the classic "big three" of LSD, psilocybin and mescaline - can be invaluable tools, but only if they are used mindfully towards that end. If the use is not mindful you wind up in the "hippie trap".
My Buddhism has been heavily commingled with other flavours of non-dualism, mainly Taoism, Advaita and jnana yoga. I also use a lot of depth psychology as part of my inner work.
I got serious about non-attachment, non-dualism and being on a path in general about four years ago following a multi-year "Dark Night of the Soul" that caused me great suffering. The "thunderbolt" of awakening that ended my DNS was a very short vision following a session of holotropic breathwork. Following that transformation, the inner work and deepening awareness of Buddhist principles has cemented the shift.
As the next step on the journey I'm now experimenting with the possibility of giving up all beliefs entirely. That seems like the logical extension of non-attachment.
So I'm not a "good Buddhist" by any stretch of the imagination, but in my view the point of it all is not the adherence to specifics but simply the fact of being on a mindful journey.
oxymoron
(4,053 posts)What an beautiful path you are on. I think whatever awakens you and puts you on a path of mindfulness is what's important. I feel that whatever gets you there and works for you is great. Welcome to the group.
A lotus for you, Buddha to be. _/l\_
Oxy
tama
(9,137 posts)so I'm told, leaves the raft of Dharma behind after crossing the river, and kills the Buddha on the road.
A simple tree can teach a lot more than the blathering fool of a prince who sits in its shade.
ellisonz
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_BuddhistI'm sort of all over the place. The Beatniks and especially Kerouac, Ginsberg, and Snyder were a sort of introduction to Buddhism and how it can be practiced within the modern American context without being too doctrinaire. I've done some reading in some of the various traditions in college and worked for a summer at a Buddhist school in Honolulu. I practice in my own way, which is really no way at all in a very real sense, but in a way that I hope is "right" even if it is not "perfect" or "ideal;" maybe in another life. I left my books in Honolulu a couple months ago, I am still awaiting their shipment, I miss my books; the internet is a poor substitute for an actual page.
"A man who allows wild passion to arise within, himself burns his heart, then after burning adds the wind that thereto which ignites the fire again, or not, as the case may be." - Kerouac
Kailash
oxymoron
(4,053 posts)Great to have you here. I am very encouraged by the Western Buddhist movement (as is Thay) and I hope you get those books soon! I would be lost without mine.
A lotus for you, Buddha to be.
Oxy
tama
(9,137 posts)to the balcony to smoke some tobacco,
there's snow on the trees, a voice of a bird,
of a car passing. Now let's see how my game
of Tribal Wars is going.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)that if the Buddha met you in the road, he would immediately kill himself...
tama
(9,137 posts)walking the middle way between life and death?
PS:
tama
(9,137 posts)http://www.buddhanet.net/cbp2_f4.htm
Middle Path avoids all these following extremities:
I am
am not
Both am and am not
Neither am nor am not
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Very much.
YankeyMCC
(8,401 posts)Thee years ago this atheist from a catholic family walked into a sitting group just looking for a place to learn about meditation and with an eye for a stress management tool.
Today I sit zazen 20 or 30 minutes a day, and with my practice group Saturday mornings. I took Jukai last summer with the Boundless Way Zen school, which my sitting group is a member of.
My practice is Shikantaza but I have spent some time working with Koans including Mu.
I have' gone to a couple of sesshins.
It has been nothing but positive for me.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)I take mainly from SE Asian and Zen traditions, mainly. I also take from Pema Chodron's books.
I try to avoid regional sectarian dogmas, as they are cultural artifacts which are distraction's from the essence of the Buddha's teachings.
FreeState
(10,692 posts)Very western practice of Theravada here. Sangha is small group of 12-14 that meet twice a month to study and practice.
onestepforward
(3,691 posts)For me, it started out about 13 years ago after watching Seven Years in Tibet. Buddhism and the Dalai Lama really sparked my curiosity and so my journey began.
To my good fortune, I was able to attend a continuing education coarse at Rice University on Buddhism and it was totally fascinating. That's when I knew I was "home." My teachers were also the founders of a Tibetan Buddhist center and I was able to attend several of their events including teachings with their teachers from Tibet.
Since then, I've been learning by listening to teachings on the internet and reading books. One of my favorites is reading Tricycle magazine. I really enjoy it because there are teachings from all the different groups of Buddhism. One of the biggest lessons is that all the groups have something wonderful to offer, so I enjoy learning from them all.
There are numerous teachers I enjoy, including Thich Nhat Hanh, Ajahn Brahm, Sharon Salzberg, Pema Chodron, Ajahn Chah, Surya Das and many more.
I'm very happy we have a Buddhism group on DU!
"A jug fills drop by drop."
-Buddha
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Dzogchen and Zen are particularly interesting to me at this time and the psychology of Buddhism appears to offer deep insights into how we function. Yet, all of Buddhism seems to be inter-related like a vast mandala with various inlets for approach. One can focus on either end of the spectrum from following precepts that lead to Realization to attending to Realization as immediately available that then yields conduct and the Fruit. It is a stream.
The Metta Sutta provides an effective clearing stage for takeoff, so to speak. It is in my practice and recommended. Realized, it is just as effective for realization as any aspect of the Pathless Path.
Taoism has relationship to Buddhism and can actually simplify the essence of the basic precepts. It is said that the person who understands the Tao in the morning can die at peace that night. Dzogchen focuses on simplicity and ease and directness, which is my flavor of approach these days. As many already realize, trying, (which is not doing) too hard to realize/awaken can be a counterproductive lesson also worthy of learning. If what we think is what we are, then our ideas about how long, when and how can color and shape our actual trajectory and Awakening. Realize being it, or put it off; that seems to be an idiosyncratic choice. Relaxing and letting go is opening for me these days. In these times, it is quite the response to reacting.
Currently, my sangha seems to be everyone and fitting approximately seven-billion people into one's heart is an interesting approach.
My focus is on the question of the existence of a self, especially in relationship to the expanding understanding of the studies of consciousness science and neurobiology. My discursive mind loves to explore and compare relationships in our growing understanding while the critical mind sorts things out to its own satisfaction. As many here may know, the quest for an actual self amidst the five aggregates is like the Moon pointing at a finger.
Practicing Mindfulness through meditation and during any action seem to suffice when applied.
It is marvelous to encounter a Buddhist group here and my wish, with loving-kindness, is that you all be happy and well.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)& studied Taoism in the past & found your words interesting--thanks.
While I don't claim to be one I always feel at home around those who are connected with or influenced by Buddhism.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Have always had an interest in culture of Tibet, reading adventures of Lowell Thomas Jr., and Alexandra David-Neel when I was young. In later years I was fortunate enough to spend several weeks in Bhutan, experiencing what a Buddhist culture/society put in action looks like ( a life changing experience). I don't practice any particular form of Buddhism but have a deep respect and lifelong desire to learn. Love the writings of Robert Thurman to help translate Tibetan Buddhism for us westerners. I once saw the Dalai Lama speak (at the University of Minnesota, on the same stage as Paul Wellstone, what a treat!) and attended a seminar on Tibetan Medicine by his personal physicians when they were here.
ellisonz
(27,739 posts)...about your impressions of Bhutan if you do not mind sharing. I like to live vicariously.
ZenLefty
(20,924 posts)Nothing special. I practice mindfulness, mainly because I'm really bad at it. I partake in no rituals nor do I subscribe to any specific school or devotion. I just do, and in all things I endeavor to see past the illusion. My Buddhism tends to compliment my martial arts practice, my yoga, my strength training and the way I live my life in general. My Buddhism helps to fight my inner demons. Nothing special.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)It sounds pretty special to me.
Ruby Reason
(242 posts)I'm also a martial artist. I no nothing about Buddhism, other than what some understanding of mindfulness and walking the path daily. I was just trying to find a spot, or thread to learn a bit more. Still it is interesting to me. So is paganism. It just seems as though if all the "religions" and / or "philosophies" took their best qualities and melded them, we would have world peace.
Anyway, just saying. Thanks for sharing.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)I grew up in a Presbyterian family that was very conservative and church going but not particularly outspoken about their faith. I attended a Presbyterian college and went to Princeton Theological Semiary where I attended for 2 years. Princeton has a very vigorous and unsentimental approach to biblical studies and like all of the seminarians that go through PTS I lost any illusion that the Bible was a magical book but rather learned how and why it was written and how to read it in context.
After the second year I took a leave of absence and accompanied by Thai wife (we had met at college and she was a Thai Christian) for a one year break in Thailand so she could do her masters. I had an eventful year and ended up talking my way into the UN refugee administration and extended my break. Eventually I became chief of operations and ended any idea of returning to Princeton.
While I was there initally I was active in the Thai Protestant Church there. My first marriage ended and I eventually fell in love and married a Thai Buddhist. I had taken a serious intensive Thai language course when I first arrived and I was somewhat overwhelmed by the tolerance and general good feeling that the Thai monks provided in their daily televised sermon.
Over time I would see dramatic 'Christian' acts by Buddhist lay people that led me to the conclusion that the most 'Christian' people I had ever met were Buddhists. I remember one story in particular where a woman who was in her 60's had spent her whole life working hard and had lived a simple life. On her 60th birthday she got on a bus (she didn't own a car) and went to a local charity and gave all of her savings (some $ 150,000) away, went home and returned her simple life.
Bangkok elected Chamlong Srimuang as Governor. He was a devout layman and lived an a strict asthetic life style that included no longer having sex with his wife, simple peasant clothes and living in a house that had no walls.
I still attended Church and even gave sermons when asked but I was also reading and studying the Buddha. My Buddhist wife attended Church cheerfully. I studied the Buddha to became a better Christian. I eventually realized that Buddhism more clearly matched my values and I enjoyed the tolerance and lack of coercive psycho drama more.
I eventually decided to convert.
Now I read the bible from time to time to become a better Buddhist.
YankeyMCC
(8,401 posts)Just your point about your family not being very outspoken about faith. My parents were catholic and took us to church (although less and less as we got older) but religion and faith just was never a discussion we had, and I always had the impression that no one really took it seriously.
I certainly found out differently when I started talking about being atheist.
Great stories, everyone!! Raised a Catholic and actually pondered becoming a priest but exposure to Yogananda, Ram Dass, Alan Watts, Vernon Howard and a slew of Buddhist teachings changed everything. I love the directness of experience espoused by Zen teachings. No formal structure with my sadhana - I meditate daily and attempt to be in the moment; I practice gratitude, service and simple listening. Great to read stories of others set on their paths.
JudyM
(29,517 posts)My mom, though Jewish, has had a lifelong passion for Vedanta so that's likely why I was drawn to eastern religion/philosphy in college, where I was particularly taken by Taoism. An early beautiful memory in my path was a morning I was in Sedona, having gotten up to practice a bit of yoga on one of the broad rock faces as the sun was coming up; after a few sun salutations I sat with a book in that peaceful serenity, lingering for quite a while over Lao Tzu's words: "When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be." This got through to me deeply and became a door to my future Buddhist practice.
Thich Nhat Hanh was my starting point and I just read/pondered his writings for a number of years without really exploring beyond. Then about 8 years ago a friend introduced me to Pema Chodron and I developed an immediate deep appreciation/passion for her teachings. A couple other close friends have also found Pema's teachings and through the tough times we coach each other using these; it's so helpful to be reminded, to catch ourselves and recenter.
I also have the good fortune to be living in the DC area, where I can attend Tara Brach's weekly sittings/teachings, which draw upwards of 200 people. Tara ("Radical Self-Acceptance" is also a clinical psychologist as well as the leader of the DC Insight Meditation Society and her talks are well-thought out and illuminating. Her talks and guided meditations are freely available here, BTW, if anyone would like to check her out: http://tarabrach.com/
I've dabbled in Jewish meditation, as well. Finally, for the past 2 years I've been carrying Charlotte Joko Beck's Everyday Zen (a gift from a friend) with me to read whenever I'm waiting in a line or stuck somewhere with time on my hands. Frequent nourishment with Buddhist thought feels like a life necessity.
Thanks for forming this group!
My fellow JuBu
Post away! One might wonder why this group is so silent.
Ruby Reason
(242 posts)Just wanted to say that while I'm not Buddhist, I have been intrigued and inspired by this group. I've enjoyed reading your posts. I do try to live with mindfulness, forgiveness, and peace. Sometimes forgiveness for myself is harder than forgiving others.
I like that each different path (is sect the right term?) is appreciative of outside perspectives. I'm impressed.
Thank you for sharing your personal journeys.
ellisonz
(27,739 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I've been meaning to post in this thread since the group began, but never quite got around to it. I do, however, check in at least once daily to look for bits of inspiration and insight; in time, maybe I can even offer some.
My path has been a long and winding one, but the theme that directed it was always a search for the basic, universal truths behind all religions. My mind has filtered everything I've learned in terms of aligning similarities, while discarding inconsistencies and dogmatic differences.
I started out a very sheltered, devout little Catholic girl, even to the point of wanting to join a contemplative order of nuns for a while. I grew up with the pre-Vatican II dogmas, accepted them all without question, and believed them with all my heart. Disillusionment came when I hit the real world, and saw the corruption, deceit, hypocrisy, and cruelty in the institution and many of its representatives. The fairy tales all fell apart and I fell into a black hole for a time.
Gradually, I started looking around again, and in my early 20s I decided to explore and compare other religions. On my own, I read introductory books about all the major world religions and even some of the "minor" ones. I was looking for a unifying Theory of Everything for the spiritual realm, because I never lost the need to nurture a spiritual life that carries over into everyday living.
My driving force was to "walk the talk" (while learning from my own failures that it's difficult at best to live up to one's own ideal), but first I had to define the universal parameters of the "talk." I was convinced that no one set of doctrines had all the answers, and that most of the rules and all of the rituals were superfluous.
My explorations expanded to include neopaganism (and wicca), shamanic traditions, pantheism, and humanism. Every time, I turned away when I felt that dogmas and rituals began to obscure the underlying truths from which each tradition sprang.
The other thing I searched for was the intersection and compatibility between science and religion. I strongly believed then, as now, that there can be no contradiction between the two, and that any so-called contradictions are the result of our limited information and understanding.
When I first learned about quantum physics, I started reading everything I could about that. Having trouble wrapping my head around it is an understatement, but that was a wondrous thing in itself. It resonated on a spiritual and visceral level. Pantheism made much more sense all of a sudden. Wiccan "magik" suddenly had some scientific validity (ritualized noetics). The much maligned and misunderstood "emptiness" of Buddhism suddenly made perfect sense. And on and on.
Now that I'm in late middle age and semi-retired, I don't have the daily stresses and distractions that I used to. My time, except for a few hours for work each evening, is pretty much my own. There's plenty of time to read, reflect, and pull all the bits together. The path I continue on still meanders but is the same -- defining the spiritual Theory of Everything, and living my life in consistent accord with what I've come to realize (often a great challenge).
Where I'm at right now is a combination of Buddhism and pantheism, with elements from other religions tossed in for aesthetic value.
Oxymoron, I only recently discovered your Order of Interbeing, and have had The Five Mindfulness Trainings prominently displayed for daily reading for about a week now. Living each day mindfully and in love with the Oneness that we are all part of is a joyous thing, although living consistently in mundane harmony with those convictions is also a lifetime challenge. I'm just beginning.
Whew! Just realized how long-winded this is, but, well... you asked.
ellisonz
(27,739 posts)I think you will find not a soul who in some way or another has not had a "meandering" path. If we all did not meander some, we would not be here at all! Feel free to commiserate here as much as you would like, aloha to you and mahalo for sharing your story.
P.S. nice image!
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I really enjoy this group and look forward to continuing to learn from everyone here.
PS - Glad you like the image! I collect smilies and gifs that strike me and that others might enjoy.
cliff48
(7 posts)I started reading Autobiography of a Yogi at about 15. I graduated to Alan Watts and Aldous Huxley. Moved to years of heedlessness and dabbling in drugs and alcohol. All the while searching for meaning and completion in relationships.
After 64 years of wandering through my life, I find I am still on the path but no more alcohol, drugs or additional relationships. I am drawn to Theravada but have been really enjoying Rev. Kusala on Urbandharm.org. He is an American who was ordained in the Vietnamese Zen tradition and really speaks to American buddhists.
I read something on Dharma everyday and meditate everyday. I understand impermanence profoundly and try to incorporate that into my everyday relationships. It is important to me to know that the 15 year old boy is dead, the 25 year old young man is dead. The 64 year old man is alive and stuck with the karma of the previous lives. It is important to try not to accumulate any additional negative karma in this life.
Peace
ellisonz
(27,739 posts)Let me know if you have any questions about the website. Aloha.