Pilots are not "trained observers"

[edhopper]

they are trained to fly an airplane. There is no study of celestial phenomena. They just need to keep their plane in the air and get it to it's destination safely. Not look for unusual sightings that don't affect their duty. This is true of civilian and military pilots.
Let's rid ourselves of this canard when a pilot sees something strange.

This is a long but informative thread on this subject.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/how-can-highly-trained-military-pilots-possibly-misinterpret-things-they-see.13341/

from one post:
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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee968372-4d1c-46a0-aaf0-a1bef17265cb.heic

[doc03]

1. Yes but if a pilot is flying a plane every day and a UFO happens to cross his

path they are about as creditable witness as you can get. UFOs were seen by Reagan, Dennis
Kosinich and Jimmy Carter. I don't know if they are from another planet but they obviously exist.
Then you have Betty and Barney Hill, Whitney Streber and Travis Walten to name a few.

[edhopper]

3. Carter saw Venus

No one, and I say again, No One, is saying they are imagining it or making it up. What is being said is they see something they can't identify. And pi.otzvare not any more capable of knowing what they saw than others.
They are not lying, they just saw something that they couldn't identify. People say since they are a pilot, they are better witnesses because they "trained observers ". They aren't.
What exists is people seeing things and not knowing what it is. That's it.

[yourout]

2. Because of their training I would think they're good judges of speed and distance.

And reasonably good judges of normal aerodynamic performance within the laws of physics as we understand them.

[edhopper]

4. Not as much as you think

Read the thread.
You'd be surprised how many times pilots mistake Venus for aircraft.

[-misanthroptimist]

14. It is extremely difficult to judge speed and distance and even altitude...

...with the human eye. It's virtually impossible to do at night, no matter how well trained one is. I have all the respect in the world for pilots, but they are no better than anyone else when it comes to observing and especially interpreting unusual phenomena.

[BootinUp]

5. but it sound so convincing...

[edhopper]

6. It has truthiness

But it is not true.

[doc03]

7. I was at Wright Patterson AF museum a few years ago and was shown the

flying saucer in Hanger 19. Not really, I did ask if could see Hanger 19 and was told if they showed me they would have to shoot me.

[edhopper]

8. I hear Hanger 18

Has an all you can eat buffet served by bigfoot.

[John1956PA]

10. One fellow said he asked a guard at RPAFB where the . . .

. . . aliens' bodies were being stored. The guard pointed to a building and replied, "Right over there." This type of exchange is a running gag at the base.

[doc03]

12. I am sure they hear that every day. nt

[Chainfire]

9. Unidentified means what it says.

There are thousands of things on this earth that I can't identify, but If I started spinning yarns about what I thought they were, I might end up in a rubber room in a sleeveless jacket.

I don't understand how folks can believe, that a "civilization" for lack of a better term, could be sophisticated enough for intergalactic travel, violating the laws of what we think we know about physics, but could not observe earth or earthlings without being caught. If they are there, and they didn't mind being caught, they would have announced themselves in uncertain terms, long ago. If our government had hard evidence of such things, there is no way in hell it could have been kept secret for the last 80 years. In any case, assuming that we had been visited, I doubt that such a backwards, violent, ignorant, fantasy driven world would warrant return visits.

I certainly do not believe that we are alone in the Universe, but neither do I believe that we have had fleeting glances of our neighbors flying through our atmosphere. It makes no more sense than the religions of the world. If I was smart enough to get around the light speed limit, I think I could miniaturize my observation platforms where they would not be visible to radar or the human eye, or even better observe from a great distance.

Flying saucers reek of bullshit to me.

[Archae]

11. Pilots can misidentify things as well.

There was a funny cartoon showing a plane in the USAF, the co-pilot screams, "Plane dead ahead!"

Then the co-pilot says, "Oops, fly speck on the windshield..."

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

13. So true.

Pilots are just regular folks who fly airplanes.

There is absolutely no credible evidence that alien craft have ever visited, let alone crashed here.