Everyone believes in God, right?

[ItsjustMe]

[Doodley]

1. Just because something cannot be proven, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence

If you reject 1000 gods, then go all the way and reject the last one for the same reasons.

Just because something can't be proven is no reason to fall back to relying solely on faith, most often the faith you were simply born into.

[Doodley]

3. I love my wife. Can I prove love is real? Is there a test that proves I love her?

Can it be put in a test tube or examined under a microscope? No. Sometimes faith is all the proof we need. Why do atheists expect proof when there is so much they believe that is unprovable?

As for the thousand Gods, I am of the view that anyone who believes in God or a God, believes in a God that is unique to their perception, their knowledge, their understanding, their culture, their religion, their other influences, their intelligence, their personality, their experiences, etc, and this can also change day to day, so there are billions of the bloody things.

By the way, I am an atheist too.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Real love is evidenced often by sacrifice, including the giving of quantity time

Notice I said "evidenced".

People so often are highly desirous of final proof or 100% irrefutable evidence.

If someone spends most of their time outside of work tending to and caring for an ill or disabled family member, that is not proof of love, but is surely strong evidence.

Actions speak louder than words. Sometimes people's actions belie their words.

People can believe what they want, and can generally say what they want, but how they act on those beliefs is too often at odds with reality.

[Doodley]

10. You speak the truth, but a machine can be programmed to care for others.

[Act_of_Reparation]

34. Define "care"

A machine can be programmed to tend to the basic biological, physical needs of others. It cannot be programmed to express interest in or concern for them.

[Bev54]

8. Love is a verb and is shown everyday.

[Doodley]

11. Love is also a noun. It's a human construct, just like God. It is not provable.

[dchill]

9. The waiting is the hardest part.

[Eko]

12. So we should believe in unicorns?

[Doodley]

13. That's your choice.

[Eko]

14. Why is it not your choice as well?

[Doodley]

15. It is my choice as well. I choose not to believe in God or unicorns.

[Eko]

17. Thanks for the reply,

but you didn't answer the question. Why is it not your choice as well?

[Doodley]

18. Why is it not my choice? It is my choice.

[Eko]

19. Why?

If you like apples better than oranges that is your choice but the why would be because you like them better. I keep asking you why that is your choice and you keep saying that it is your choice. It's obvious it's your choice but the why has yet to be given.

[Doodley]

20. Sorry to be dumb, but I still do not understand specifically what you are asking.

[Eko]

21. Why do you not believe in unicorns?

Not that you choose not to but why you choose not to.

[Doodley]

22. I choose not to believe because I don't see enough evidence to choose to believe.

[Eko]

24. I apologize, and I am trying to be sincere and polite so please take no offense.

But that doesn't line up with your earlier claim of "Just because something cannot be proven, doesn't mean it doesn't exist."
The 1st claim is that just because there is not enough evidence to prove it, it can still be true.
The 2nd claim is that you don't believe in something because there is not enough evidence.
I don't see how those are logically compatible.

[Doodley]

25. The statements are compatible. Take space aliens living among us. Just because they cannot be

proven to exist, doesn't mean they do not exist. I choose not to believe in them as I do not see sufficient evidence, but it is still logical that I cannot rule out that they do exist.

When it comes to people who think they have made some kind of contact or connection with aliens (or God) to say prove it, won't disprove its existence.

[Eko]

27. That makes no sense.

"I choose not to believe in them as I do not see sufficient evidence, but it is still logical that I cannot rule out that they do exist."
If you say that you cannot rule out that they do exist then you are saying that they may exist, but before that you are saying that they don't because you do not see sufficient evidence. Either you believe they do, they may or they don't. You cant say your dont believe they don't exist, then next say you believe they may. Makes no sense.

[Doodley]

28. Do you believe I slept with three virgins last night? I bet you don't believe that.

I bet you feel you have insufficient evidence to believe that. But can you rule it out with absolute certainty? No, of course not.

[Eko]

29. You may have.

I don't believe you did, I don't believe you didn't. I believe you may have. See?

[Chainfire]

5. I believe in dog.

She is, in fact, snoring right next to me. If you like, I can show proof!

Man created God, in his own image, so that whosoever believeth in him, can avoid death. Humans don't like the thought of their own death. I suspect that if this old dog knew about death, her species would have created a dog god.

We hate voids of knowledge as much as nature abhors vacuums. Where there is a question, we will create an answer. It doesn't have to be true, it doesn't have to be verifiable, but it beats admitting that we just don't know. We are too damn smart to just not know.

[gibraltar72]

6. The fact That Dick Cheney and Trump lived

while innocents died, proves there is no God. I say that as a recovering Evangelical.

[csusan]

7. what is God

Everytime I see or hear a coversation re: god, i immediately think ok what is god. I dont know if i believe cause I don't know which god im suppose to be believing in. I dont believe in religion. Im done with that. So is it the catholic god, the fundemental god, the jewish god, the muslim god or just god. Do I believe there is something (one thing) out there that is in charge of everything and has a plan for everyone-no. Until someone can explain suffering to me I can not believe that there is an entity incharge that can stop suffering but allows it anyway. I dont believe in the whole orginial sin or that there is a god that punishes people because somebody else sinned.

[Doodley]

16. It's all pretty ridiculous, especially when you put it that way.

[RFCalifornia]

23. Exactly. When someone tries to "prove" Christianity I ask them...

First to prove that the laws of physics can be bent or changed

Then prove to me that magic can exist

Then prove to me that a god could exist

Then prove to me that a god does exist

Then prove to me that their god, of all the thousands of gods that people have believed in, is the right one

And...I could go on

[Doodley]

26. Why should you control what they should prove? As an

atheist, I am not able to prove whatever an anti-scientist may ask of me. Do you think you are?

[RFCalifornia]

30. Because if they make an extraordinary claim, it's up to them to prove it

Not me to negate it

[Doodley]

31. But we are talking about faith. If I say I saw big foot last night, I don't have to prove it.

You can either believe me or not believe me. I am not obligated to prove my extraordinary claims.

[RFCalifornia]

33. Faith is belief without evidence

So, yeah, its a pretty useless tool

One has to prove god exists otherwise they are no different than that crackpot on the street saying "the end is near"

[Doodley]

36. We all rely on faith. I am guessing you have faith in scientific theories that you cannot

personally verify.

[RFCalifornia]

37. No but I can see the evidence

For example, during COVID I looked up the evidence that said the Pfizer vaccine was safe and could help stop the spread of the virus.

Every scientific study has a brief

And since it's peer reviewed it's very possible for other scientists to poke holes in it

God cannot be proved or unproved since you can't prove a negative

But if one is making the assertion "there is a god" then they have to produce evidence, and a 2000 year old book that was edited, changed, completely reworked that we're not even sure the purported authors had anything to do with -- then they, as Ricky Riccardo once said, have a lot of explaining to do

[Doodley]

40. The nature of faith, like love, requires no proof. If you have never loved, you cannot

understand what it is to love. It isn't something that can be studied in a test tube. If you have never experienced sight or sound, you cannot understand what it is. If you do not either recognize the meaning of faith or experience it yourself, you will not understand what it is.

[RFCalifornia]

41. Oh absolute bullshit

I love my wife completely

Yet I don't do it on faith, I do it because she is a beautiful person and is the SAME beautiful person I met

Stop equating faith with love

It's like equating horse shit with chocolate

[Doodley]

42. You seem very aggressive towards me.

[RFCalifornia]

43. Sealion much?

[Act_of_Reparation]

35. You are completely disregarding the social dynamics of these debates.

People who don't believe in bigfoot rarely suffer socio-occupational consequences for their lack of belief in bigfoot. People who believe in bigfoot aren't measurably more privileged than those who do not. Our culture does not hold belief in bigfoot to be a virtue.

[RFCalifornia]

38. There is also this

[RFCalifornia]

39. Besides, if you said "I saw Bigfoot" I would ask for evidence

If you said you didn't have any, I wouldn't believe you

[Lady Freedom Returns]

32. I love Talk Heathen and Atheist Experience!

And then you have The Nonprofits.

Sunday's are usually me watching ACA stuff as well as stuff put out by Telltale and Jimmy Snow, AKA Mr Atheist.