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DetlefK

(16,455 posts)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 05:41 PM Apr 2020

An attempt of a proof.

God is defined as infinite. Infinitely strong, infinitely, wise, infinitely perfect, whatever.

Infinite.

The problem with infinity is that it is a perfectly fine and workable concept on a mathematical/logical/philosophical level, but not on a physical level. That is why all proofs for God's existence are entirely mathematical/logical/philosophical, not physical.

It is not possible to prove any infinity on a physical, experimental, empirical level. It is ON PRINCIPLE impossible to experimentally determine whether something is infinitely big or infinitely small:
1. No instrument has an infinitely large scale to measure against and no instrument has an infinitely small resolution to measure against.
2. For simple statistical reasons (the math of statistical moments), the only way to accurately describe a physical entity/system, is with an infinitely large data-set. No finite data-set can ever accurately describe what a physical system truly is like. It can approximate physical reality (which is the underlying logical reason behind the whole "scientific method&quot , but it can never accurately describe it.

So...

It is not possible to determine via a physical experiment whether a person/entity/thing is infinite/God.
It is not possible to determine via a physical experiment whether or not God does or doesn't exist.
Another infinite person/entity/thing could maybe determine whether or not God exists, but a finite physical experiment can not do that.

And this is a problem for God. Being infinitely strong, infinitely wise, infinitely perfect is a MASSIVE problem for God.

God is supposed to be perfect. If the existence of a thing is not experimentally provable, then how can it be perfect?



God can either be infinitely strong/wise/whatever or infinitely perfect, but not both.

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An attempt of a proof. (Original Post) DetlefK Apr 2020 OP
First Cheney then Trump prove there is no God. gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #1
As it says in my sig line.... A HERETIC I AM Apr 2020 #2
I always love the folks who say "There had to be a God to create everything" rurallib Apr 2020 #3
proof ThisIsNotGreat Aug 2020 #4
Oh no, that is not true... uriel1972 Aug 2020 #5
Please share it. This is what we are all waiting for rurallib Aug 2020 #6
16 days... OriginalGeek Aug 2020 #7

A HERETIC I AM

(24,583 posts)
2. As it says in my sig line....
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:47 PM
Apr 2020
" A god whose existence is impossible to demonstrate shares the exact same attributes as a god that does not exist.”

rurallib

(63,196 posts)
3. I always love the folks who say "There had to be a God to create everything"
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:52 AM
Apr 2020

To which the obvious question is "Then who created God?"

I have never understood why some people feel as if they need to know how everything began. I guess coming up with some BS story of how things began makes them feel superior. I say who cares how it started, let's understand as best we can that what is here.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
5. Oh no, that is not true...
Sun Aug 2, 2020, 07:03 PM
Aug 2020

If you have tangible proof of the existence of A god, any god at all, we want to know so we can test and verify.

rurallib

(63,196 posts)
6. Please share it. This is what we are all waiting for
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:30 AM
Aug 2020

Once your proof of God's existence has been verified, prizes and accolades await!

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