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The Ongoing Crisis in Christianity Continues Apace.
June 8, 2017 by Captain Cassidy
Last time we met up, we were talking about how Ken Hams little evangelism project, Ark Encounter, is already faltering. I thought it was hilarious that this news comes out now, amid a Gallup poll showing that belief in Creationism is at its lowest point since Gallup began asking that question of Americans. But thats not the only bad news for Christians (and fundagelicals particularly). There are a lot of other indications that their losses since 2015 are only getting worsebecoming part of a general ongoing crisis thats been in full swing for years and may not even have peaked yet. So lets catch up on the news!
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* A recent Gallup Poll about Creationism indicates that a smaller percentage of Americans than ever buy into Creationist beliefs. The number of Americans who hold the demonstrably correct belief, that humans evolved on their own without any kind of help from superhuman or supernatural entities, is also drifting upward. Now, people who try to split the difference by saying that okay, humans developed over time but a god maybe guided the process, is raising even more sharply than the drop in hardcore Creationists. So its not entirely good news, though it seems like a lot of religious people stop there on their journey toward reality. But its encouragingfor people who care about reality at least. For Christians, especially for fundagelicals who push Creationism, its disastrous. Theyve deliberately created a showdown between Creationism and reality, hinging membership in their tribe on belief in the Bible as a literally true and divine document. Oops.
*The Episcopal Church continues to slide into complete disaster. Attendance is down 3.4% and the denomination lost a net 43 parishes. This decline is steady and nothing the leaders of the church do seems to be able to reverse it. The denominations headquarters are now marked by fear, mistrust and resentment. I am Cas complete lack of surprise. Also not surprising: its leader is trying to hide behind being human to explain their pure dysfunction and to reassure his people that why gosh, every single church out there is like theirs. That, I want to tell this guy, is the WHOLE GODDAMNED PROBLEM WITH HIS GODDAMNED RELIGION. But there we are.
*Were still a bit ahead of Barnas 2016 numbers (thatll probably get released in the fall, probably), but a few months ago they released a report on the people who love Jesus but not the church, which is the new ultra-trendy and hipster way to be spiritual but not religious. Pastors seeing that report have got to just be having kittens. The upshot is that theres a huge and growing percentage of people (ranging from 13% in the Northeast to 33% in the Deep South, which is the least surprising set of numbers they printed in this particular report) who have completely abandoned formal Christianity and are trying to create an eclectic belief system for themselves that speaks better to their personal values and cultural goals. Were gonna talk more about this one later because there are some really interesting facets to it, but for now well rest there.
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A Capsizing Ship.
This is truly an amazing time to be alive. Were watching the slow-motion collapse of a world religion, folksand of a worldview. Obviously, there will still be some skirmishes to fight as Christians begin to get desperate to regain their lost dominance, and were already seeing those skirmishes escalate.
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Maybe it really is just about drawing out the end as long as possible.
By the time things go really pear-shaped and fall apart, the leaders of today will be hell and gonealong with all the money they could extract from those doomed churches. Youd think parishioners would demand better, but thats how it rolls, I suppose.
Moostache
(10,180 posts)ALL organized and formalized religions are evil vestiges of a barbaric past for the species. Misogynistic, anachronistic and just plain harmful to the advance of the body human whole, the sooner these fairy tales, sky daddies and goat-herder myths are cast aside forever, the better we will be.
I would settle for something much less than eradication of religion...I have no wish to take away the private comforts of the weak minded or the security blanket for facing mortality of millions...I just want to see it stripped of the unearned and unwarranted auto-respect that self-identifying as "Christian" conveys on people in the USA, who then use that for political, personal or both gains.
Keep your religion in your house or in your chosen house of worship and go crazy folks...but get it the fuck out of OUR GOVERNMENT. Jesus myth lovers are free to emulate his words all they want in private, in fact I recommend they start with some of his admonishments regarding the role of money and getting into the crazy concept of "heaven"...just do it amongst yourselves and without the public persecution of those who do not share your beliefs.
Religion is like a penis. It's fine if you have one, even OK for you it be very proud of yours...but I don't want to constantly hear about it and you better keep it away from children and don't pull it out in public places...follow these simple rules and we won't have as many problems...
Iggo
(48,464 posts)They simply cannot leave us the fuck alone.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)Those trying to steer the masses toward dark places will always appeal to religion. If the counter argument for a more enlightened outcome begins with a dismissal of religion, then you've begun by telling people they're stupid. You're simply never going to win, or get to steer, in a country filled with stupid and stupid-adjacent people by going that route. It's better to learn to wield religion without necessarily believing in it, IMO.
For a bad example, when the news of the existence of AIDS took hold of the public consciousness decades ago, right wingers and televangelists came out of the woodwork, calling it retribution from God and using religion to stoke fears -- much to their own egotistical and financial benefit. One liberal after another tried to shoot down those claims by appealing to reason. They failed to convince much of the country.
A much better approach, IMO, was to steer the conversation to the position of reason by engaging people's religious programming rather than fighting it. It seems to me that the more effective counterargument to the "curse from God" hysteria was to propose that God didn't send AIDS to punish us, but to test our compassion -- to see how we treat our own people when they are in gravest need. Do we turn our backs, or do we embrace them, and commit every tool given to us to find a cure? And of course, the coup de gras -- what would Jesus do?
Admit it, even some of you die-hard atheists had a little well-up at that last part, right?
The same way of arguing works for any liberal agenda item, but most liberals seem reticent to go that way. I'm not. I'd rather get to steer than stand at the side. Satisfaction due to not stooping to religiosity is of little comfort when the ship is heading for the rocks.
That's my take, anyway.