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es35

(132 posts)
Fri May 5, 2017, 08:46 AM May 2017

Atheism and dictators

Atheism is often blamed for causing Communist dictators like Stalin and Mao to murder. But did you know that dictators hate rational atheists just as much as the religious do and for the same reason? We don’t take their orders!! We demand evidence and reason which they have a lethal aversion to.

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Atheism and dictators (Original Post) es35 May 2017 OP
Dictators hate anyone who does not worship a deity. Doreen May 2017 #1
Yeah it's a bullshit defense employed by religionists who've already lost the argument. trotsky May 2017 #2
excellent post rurallib May 2017 #3
Great point and I concur. n/t trotsky May 2017 #5
Spot on! beam me up scottie May 2017 #4

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
1. Dictators hate anyone who does not worship a deity.
Fri May 5, 2017, 11:02 AM
May 2017

People who blindly worship a deity are more easily controlled. When you are taught to blindly follow and obey without question you tend to be more likely to do that with a ruling party/person tells you to do. I know that Buddhists are not liked very well by dictators because Buddhists are taught never to follow blindly and to question everything and everyone including our teachers.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
2. Yeah it's a bullshit defense employed by religionists who've already lost the argument.
Fri May 5, 2017, 01:21 PM
May 2017

"But but STALIN! MAO! POL POT! OMGWTFBBQLOL!!!" The real stupid ones even try and throw Hitler in with the atheists too.

The difference of course is that religious dictators and murderers find justification for their crimes in their religion. The holy books of various faiths are filled with such behavior, and it's either condoned or commanded by their god. The worst part about religious belief too is that you can't prove someone's religious beliefs wrong. Believers LOVE to wave this around like it justifies religious belief - "You can't prove there ISN'T a god! Nyah nyah nyah!" - but it's the fatal flaw and central problem of religion, and the reason it turns so deadly so often. If you are convinced your god wants you to murder someone, you need to do it. Period.

There is no such motivation or justification to be found in atheism. Contrary to what some pathetic individuals insist (in order to define atheism for their own purposes), it's not a belief system. It's not a religion. It never has been. There is no guidebook, no official teaching, no prophets, no popes, no priests, nothing. It's just the default state of not accepting a particular claim. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot - none of them killed in the name of atheism or because of their atheism told them to. But this is unpalatable to the typical believer who needs to fit atheism into a box so they don't have to worry about it questioning their beliefs, and so the "StalinMaoPolPot" refrain will continue.

rurallib

(63,269 posts)
3. excellent post
Fri May 5, 2017, 07:27 PM
May 2017

may I add a thought?

The linkage of a "mad" dictator to atheism also adds the concept that atheism is by definition, crazy. Anyone who shares the "religion" of the mad dictator must also be mad, because atheism is only held by the crazy.

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