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Related: About this forumNo, Jim Bob Duggar. Your Claim That Children Are A Gift From God Is A Dangerous Lie.
No, Jim Bob Duggar. Your Claim That Children Are A Gift From God Is A Dangerous Lie.
November 22, 2015 by Peter Mosley
Recently, Jim Bob Duggar wrote an open letter to fathers (nevermind the mothers, it seems the father is the person who is supposed to be the one in charge of the whole household) that has some heartbreaking content. He says that his wife was on birth control pills, but that they werent aware that the pills could cause a miscarriage.
What isnt heartbreaking, and is pretty disconcerting, is that after the miscarriage, they decided to give this area to God and see children as His gifts. Which, once its translated out of Christianeze, means that when Jim Bob wants to have sex, they have sex, and always without birth control because the child (in spite of it being a direct result of Jim Bob deciding to have sex) is a gift from God. And yeah, its when Jim Bob wants to have sex that sex is had. As his wife once put it:
I have some experience with this theology, having been brought up in a similar tradition. And, this business about children being a gift from God is dangerous bullshit, for at least a couple reasons.
First, it takes the decisions as to whether or not youre going to have children out of your hands and puts them into a standard decided by an imaginary being who has no grasp on the reality of your situation. Jim Bob specifically states in his letter that he and his wife decided not to wait until they were financially able to have children or until they had all [their] ducks in a row. No. This was a blessing from God, who was in control of all those circumstances so, the message goes, you can and should ignore all those circumstances and trust in God, letting him plan your family.
What I hate about this message is that it lays a guilt trip on families that are not as well off as the Duggars, or families in which a pregnancy might result in severe health problems and risks for the mother. It portrays them as not accepting Gods gift giving them the false idea that if God didnt want them to have a child, He would keep them from getting pregnant. I also hate that it basically drafts women into service to have children, regardless of their personal desires or their personal goals. The great God and Ruler of the universe is trying to give you this gift of children, the message goes. Who are you to refuse?
Much more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/barrierbreaker/no-jim-bob-duggar-your-claim-that-children-are-a-gift-from-god-is-a-dangerous-lie
November 22, 2015 by Peter Mosley
Recently, Jim Bob Duggar wrote an open letter to fathers (nevermind the mothers, it seems the father is the person who is supposed to be the one in charge of the whole household) that has some heartbreaking content. He says that his wife was on birth control pills, but that they werent aware that the pills could cause a miscarriage.
What isnt heartbreaking, and is pretty disconcerting, is that after the miscarriage, they decided to give this area to God and see children as His gifts. Which, once its translated out of Christianeze, means that when Jim Bob wants to have sex, they have sex, and always without birth control because the child (in spite of it being a direct result of Jim Bob deciding to have sex) is a gift from God. And yeah, its when Jim Bob wants to have sex that sex is had. As his wife once put it:
(Wives should) be available (for sex), and not just available, but be joyfully available for him. Smile and be willing to say, Yes, sweetie I am here for you, no matter what, even though you may be exhausted and big pregnant and you may not feel like he feels. Im still here for you and Im going to meet that need because I know its a need for you.
I have some experience with this theology, having been brought up in a similar tradition. And, this business about children being a gift from God is dangerous bullshit, for at least a couple reasons.
First, it takes the decisions as to whether or not youre going to have children out of your hands and puts them into a standard decided by an imaginary being who has no grasp on the reality of your situation. Jim Bob specifically states in his letter that he and his wife decided not to wait until they were financially able to have children or until they had all [their] ducks in a row. No. This was a blessing from God, who was in control of all those circumstances so, the message goes, you can and should ignore all those circumstances and trust in God, letting him plan your family.
What I hate about this message is that it lays a guilt trip on families that are not as well off as the Duggars, or families in which a pregnancy might result in severe health problems and risks for the mother. It portrays them as not accepting Gods gift giving them the false idea that if God didnt want them to have a child, He would keep them from getting pregnant. I also hate that it basically drafts women into service to have children, regardless of their personal desires or their personal goals. The great God and Ruler of the universe is trying to give you this gift of children, the message goes. Who are you to refuse?
Much more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/barrierbreaker/no-jim-bob-duggar-your-claim-that-children-are-a-gift-from-god-is-a-dangerous-lie
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No, Jim Bob Duggar. Your Claim That Children Are A Gift From God Is A Dangerous Lie. (Original Post)
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
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(18,219 posts)1. OMG, she took BIRTH CONTROL PILLS????
Isn't that the same as having an abortion or something? And isn't birth control taking the control out of the hands of god? Aren't real true Christians supposed to avoid birth control?
Well, god certain did bless that family. And not only that, but Jim Bob had a lot of fun in the process. Win/win.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)2. To them it is.
God wants women to have kid after kid until they die in childbirth.
It's part of the curse, we deserve it after what Eve did, remember?