In my prayers, buddy

[Heddi]

[LostOne4Ever]

1. ...

[beam me up scottie]

2. This thread needs kittehs.

[Heddi]

3. we should pray for the liars too

the ones who lie in their alerts to the hosts specifically

[EvolveOrConvolve]

4. Here's rug's alert on your post

To me, it's fucking despicable that rug would use the death of a DUer in an attempt to silence an outspoken atheist.

To rug: the comment that Heddi was lampooning was a post by hrmjustin where he mentioned he was praying for a friend. That friend was NYC_SKP, who was given the banhammer by the DU admin because he called Hillary the C* word. It had nothing to do with xchrom, and for you to fabricate that fact in your alert is horseshit. Now, I know that you really meant to send a ToS alert instead of an SoP alert (don't even try to deny it), but it's too late - you can't unring that bell.

(FWIW: because he couldn't play well with others, rug is blocked from the A&A group. For those that say it's not fair that he can't defend himself, tough cookies. He's free to whine about this in any of the numerous believer-centric groups.)

You have received this Alert message because you are currently a Host of the group: Atheists & Agnostics.

ALERTED DISCUSSION THREAD

-- Author: Heddi
-- Title: In my prayers, buddy
-- Location: Atheists & Agnostics
-- Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:06 PM
-- Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/123046420

ALERT INFORMATION

-- Sent by: rug
-- Reason: This discussion thread violates the Statement of Purpose for this forum.
-- Alerter's comments: This is a not so veiled personal attack on another member's post on the passing of DUer xchrom.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678

All you have to do is read the first reply.

[beam me up scottie]

5. What the hell is he talking about?

What does any of this have to do with xchrom?

It is vile to exploit the death of a DUer in order to get even with posters you don't like, rug.

This is low even for you.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

7. Yep, and if it gets to a jury, I hope they read enough of the thread to see my post

I don't have enough adjectives to describe how many kinds of pissed off this makes me.

[beam me up scottie]

9. No one in our group would EVER pull a stunt like that.

How much do you have to hate someone to exploit a friend's death to get even with them?

Someone needs to go for a long walk and think about what they just did.

[muriel_volestrangler]

26. It appears it did go to a jury too, and they left it 7-0

Last edited Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:32 AM - Edit history (1)

Results were posted to the hrmjustin thread:

27. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service


Mail Message
On Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

In my prayers, buddy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/123046420

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a not so veiled personal attack on another member's post on the passing of DUer xchrom.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678

All you have to do is read the first reply.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:46 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously, this bullshit is above my pay grade.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
I sleep all night and I work all day
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678#post27

If I've got my time zones right, that 2nd alert was sent 2 minutes after the failed alert that went to the hosts was posted. So, despite the lengthy refutation in that post, the alerter thought it was worth trying to fool a jury.

[Goblinmonger]

27. I think that alerter, rug, didn't mean to send the first alert to the hosts

And it's nice to see he lied about it mocking the death of a DUer again. What a tool.

[LostOne4Ever]

41. I love juror #5 comment nt

[Capt. Obvious]

11. IKR?

And x is dead? I thought the link might explain.

I can't believe rug is still trolling from the grave. No wait, yes I can.

[beam me up scottie]

12. Yes, he died in May I think.

Last edited Wed Sep 30, 2015, 05:26 PM - Edit history (1)

But the thread rug linked to is one from June and it was a tribute to NYC SKP after he was banned.

Just when you think you've seen the lowest of the low on DU someone always comes along to lower the bar even further.

[kdmorris]

17. Yes, sadly, he passed away in May

Here is his thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026827685

It was very sad and this alert makes me really angry. We found out about xchrom's passing on June 13 and Justin made the post in that link in the alert on June 4th. Maybe he's physic?

(RIP xcrhom... I still miss you)

[Capt. Obvious]

18. Wait

Its almost like rug was lying there.

[kdmorris]

19. Yes... it was almost exactly like that n/t

[Goblinmonger]

20. That can't be, can it?

[cleanhippie]

32. rug would never lie. He's a lawyer and lawyers never lie. And he's a catholic, and he's male...

No, rug would never lie. He is most definitely not a lying PoS.

[Iggo]

87. Like a rug.

[trotsky]

29. xchrom was one of the good guys.

He never stooped to the level of people who send fabricated alerts.

[PeaceNikki]

6. I hope we all have that one on our jury blacklists

It didn't stop him from alerting but I don't ever want him on my jury.

[Rob H.]

10. "(R)ead the first reply"?

This? That's evidence of a "not so veiled personal attack"? On what planet?

[LostOne4Ever]

13. to be clear my post was in reference to AC getting a time out till November

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]It had NOTHING to do with X-Chrom.

I wouldn't EVER make fun of a passing of a member of DU, and X-Chrom in particular. I never had a single bad encounter with X-Chrom and always got along with him/her.[/font]

[Rob H.]

15. I totally get that

I think it's ridiculous that that was supposed to be "evidence." And how pathetic is it to trawl a group you're blocked from in the hopes of finding something hide-worthy and, failing that, lie in an alert in hopes that a jury will agree with you?

[trotsky]

30. We all know it's not evidence of anything.

It's a fucking joke of an alert, deliberately deceptive and vague to try and catch a jury sleeping. Such impotent rage.

[Heddi]

14. Here's our daily lesson for all the kids at home

That whole part about "do not bear false witness against thy neighbor" didn't LITERALLY pertain ONLY to the guy who lives next door.

just sayin'

[Curmudgeoness]

38. There you go again

with the argument about whether the Bible should be taken literally or not. We all know that the Bible should always be taken literally. Unless we don't like what it says.

[Goblinmonger]

16. As another host of A&A, my vote is "fuck that"

Just if we want to make this official. We still have one more host to vote so maybe she'll vote to agree with rug

[EvolveOrConvolve]

21. And I'll bet our third host would concur

This is the shittiest thing I've seen in a long time.

[JNelson6563]

22. I concur. Rug stop alert stalking AA.

[skepticscott]

23. And I'm sure all of rug's righteous friends

in the yacht club will be stepping up to condemn him for this, just as they would if one of us had done it. (yes, Captain...I'm looking right the fuck at you).

[mr blur]

24. Of course they won't, sadly.

They are on the whole beneath contempt. Faitheists and Papists, all lost at sea together.

[skepticscott]

25. Yes, I see the righteous Captain

has already stepped up to applaud this. What a shock.

[cleanhippie]

33. He's no Captain, he's a cabin boy.

And a shitty one at that.

[trotsky]

28. Wow, just wow.

What a despicable, lying, manipulative, vicious, petty, and vile thing to do.

Wish I could say I was surprised.

[Goblinmonger]

31. Good news is

that he will never hear the end of this. And since he mistakenly sent an alert to the hosts, his name is on it so he can't play his usual game of "I don't alert."

[trotsky]

34. Bingo.

The act is OVER. Exposed for all to see.

[Heddi]

35. What I think is even funnier about all this alerting nonsense

is that not *ONLY* is he resurrecting his dead friend to make a dishonest point, but he is alerting on a thread that was a mock of ANOTHER thread I made mocking a thread where people were oh so sad about a nasty bigot who called Hillary Clinton a no-so-veiled version of the "C-word."

So what is worse:
1) making a bullshit alert and using the body of his dead friend to do it
2) LYING in that bullshit alert and using the body of his dead friend to do it
3) REALLY being offended that not everyone holds his dear banned bigot buddy in the highest of esteem like he does.

??

You know, if the alert had said "mocking a safe haven" he'd have been right. I was mocking a safe haven post where people were hugging and gushing over a well-known Atheist/Agnostic hater and instigator and someone who had absolutely no compunction calling Hillary Clinton a "cunning stunt"---who also didn't have any problem, within DAYS after the Newtown shootings lamenting Adam Lanza's choice of a Mossberg as his weapon of choice because it wasn't the best weapon one could have chosen for up-close shooting (look up "would you kiss your mossberg with that mouth" in the DU archives...you'll find it.

THAT's where the mock was. It actually goes deeper than that. After NYC Skip was banned, I mocked THAT thread with "your'e in our prayers" buddy where all of us who had seen his mask slipping for quite some time, who were systematically abused by the vicious bigot, could come together as well and discuss his untimely departure.

So I was mocking a post in a safe haven -- this one.

post 1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678
post 2 http://www.democraticunderground.com/123043106
post 3 http://www.democraticunderground.com/123046420

[kdmorris]

36. I guess he got it right the second time and sent it to a jury

They let it stand 0-7... someone's alert privileges got revoked for a day:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678#post27

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mail Message
On Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

In my prayers, buddy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/123046420

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a not so veiled personal attack on another member's post on the passing of DUer xchrom.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678

All you have to do is read the first reply.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:46 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously, this bullshit is above my pay grade.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
I sleep all night and I work all day
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Warren Stupidity]

37. This is now a DU classic!

[Capt. Obvious]

40. I wonder if

this has something to with this fail?

[Curmudgeoness]

39. I love it when the curtain opens

and someone is caught taking a crap for all to see. You just can't pull your pants back up fast enough that we don't all see it.

[Capt. Obvious]

42. LOL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1225&pid=787

[Heddi]

43. rofl

Thanks for making my day. That was.... Yeah.

[LostOne4Ever]

44. Why was Xemas banned? Wasn't he/she just informing Justin of what happened here?

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Weird.[/font]

[beam me up scottie]

45. Wow. That was harsh.

Banned for posting jury results?

[LostOne4Ever]

46. Seems unfair to me but I have no reason to go to that room. nt

[beam me up scottie]

47. Me either!

Seems like the only traffic they get is when they're talking about us.

Look at the difference in numbers:

Atheists & Agnostics 30 day posts: 1,392 / All time posts: 46,642

Prayer Circle 30 day posts: 37 / All time posts: 807


Looks like group envy to me.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

49. I'm probably next

I called rug out on his hypocrisy, but that's probably enough to get me blocked. It's okay to defend calling Hillary the c* word, but not okay to point out dishonesty.

[beam me up scottie]

50. Totally worth it, imo.

If I had had abused the memory of a friend by lying about another DUer in an alert I sure wouldn't be linking to the thread that proves it.

And discussing it at length with people who considered xchrom a friend too.

Apparently they think it's fine for rug to exploit xchrom's death to score points against atheists on DU.

[kdmorris]

59. Truthfully, I think s/he was trying to post them here

and since rug put a link to Justin's post in there, probably clicked on the wrong link.

[LostOne4Ever]

64. Well I hope they see this subthread and undo the blocking nt

[EvolveOrConvolve]

48. I like the hypocrisy of bitching about respecting safe havens

when rug was the one trolling the A&A safe haven and lying in an alert about a dead DUer in an attempt to silence someone in our safe haven.

And note: when rug says he "misunderstood" what justin's thread was about, he's completely and utterly full of shit. He's well aware of the history of the hrmjustin show and how justin defended NYC_SKP after NYC_SKP used the c* word to describe Hillary.

[hrmjustin]

51. Where did i defend him?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

52. I thought you respected safe havens Justin

Do you or don't know?

[hrmjustin]

53. I do and you can ban me and I will understand but you called me out by name so again

I ask where did I defend him?

I never defended his actions. Hillary is my candidate.

I did repost what he claimed he was reposting in his imfamous post.since I was mirt at the time I had access to it.

Our relationship had been strained in his last six months here because his posts on HRC.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

54. So you're saying you respect safe havens?

[hrmjustin]

55. Yes and the only reason I am here is because you called me out by name here.

You are within your right to ban me as host but I ask you to please provide me a link that I defended him after his banning?

I never defended him to my knowledge.

[beam me up scottie]

56. Really?

You're not here to call us out over our super secret fb group?

[mr blur]

90. You mean the group where we plot campaigns to discredit religionistas?

You don't think they really believe that bmus? I mean, really?

On Facebook? Facebook for fuck' s sake?
What, in between sharing pictures of our pets and updating our relationship status?
Astonishing.

Can you imagine how paranoid someone would have to be to worry about what people are saying about them on Facebook? I mean, somebody who wasn't, say, 12?

[beam me up scottie]

91. We're talking about the weather now.

IT'S A CONSPRIRASEE TO CONTROL WEATHER PATTERMS OVER THE US!!!

We evil atheists are very busy.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

57. So answer two questions for me

1. Do you think it's okay to lie about a dead DUer in an attempt to silence someone in a safe haven?
2. Do you think it's okay for rug to violate this safe haven by alert trolling it? If so, I'd like to see you call him on it, because let's face it; if a non-believer had done the same, I can guarantee you'd (rightfully) call them on it.

(btw, if you truly respected safe havens, you'd never have been here to see your name in the first place)

[hrmjustin]

58. I am not going to answer those questions. Do you want me to self delete?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

60. No I don't want you to self-delete

And no I'm not going to block you.

I really want answers to those questions - if you're as fair and equitable as you've claimed in the past, then you should be decidedly offended by rug's actions. The fact that you won't answer the questions and you won't give even a meager, lukewarm admonishment to rug tells me a lot about your character. You're either afraid of something or being totally dishonest, and neither matches the person you claim yourself to be.

(although you're a Met's fan, so you can't be all bad

[hrmjustin]

61. Thank you for your time.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

62. Seriously, you can't walk away from this man

Isn't it worth it to you to have some dialog?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

63. I'll even come discuss this on your turf if you'd like

[EvolveOrConvolve]

65. I'll even let you flog me with a million wet noodles

[LostOne4Ever]

66. I don't really want to get involved in this

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]But since you are here and I won't set foot in PC could I ask you if you know why Xemas was blocked?

From my point of view they were either trying to alert you to what was going down here or got mixed up by all the links in the alert. I don't think he/she meant anything malicious.

But I thought you might know more than me. Maybe there was something else involved but it seems like an innocent got caught up in the two groups squabbles and that doesn't seem right.

I know you had nothing to do with it, but I thought you might know something I didn't or could bring this up with the hosts of PC.

Sorry, that blocking has been bothering me since the moment I saw it.

Thanks for your time.

Edit: To those viewing this thread I completed this conversation via PMs. No need for anyone to reply to this post.[/font]

[kdmorris]

67. Yet Xemasab is still blocked

It's bothering me, too. I really don't understand why she did that to Xemasab but I'm worried that it might have had something to do with me.

[LostOne4Ever]

68. I sent Scotty a PM here is hoping she gets unblocked

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]But I don't think it is your fault at all.

Accidents and misunderstandings happen!

[/font]

[kdmorris]

69. I sent one to the host that blocked him/her, too

It's not my "fault", but I do think that the action was taken only after I posted. It is unjust.

[kdmorris]

82. The blocking host

declined to unblock him/her.

I guess that admitting she made a mistake isn't something she is willing to do.

Oh, well, I tried to rectify the situation.

[beam me up scottie]

83. That's ridiculous.

It's not your fault, at least you tried.

[kdmorris]

84. The responsibility lies squarely with the one that overreacted

Even if she overreacted and blocked Xemasab based on something I said, she is responsible for her own actions.

I cannot believe that she will not even consider that a mistake was made.

[beam me up scottie]

85. Well it's in ATA now so everyone can see how the hosts treat visitors to that group.

It takes a hell of a lot for our hosts to block people from this group, and even then it's completely transparent so that everyone knows the blockee was given a fair shot.



Our hosts rock!

[kdmorris]

86. I agree!

[mr blur]

70. I think that you shuld think, seriously, about why you are obsessed,

with the notion of blocking/banning people or being banned yourself. It seems to be your first rection when you encounter someone who doesn't think exactly like you. About everything. Notably God and Ms Clinton. As you know I have no respect for your religion and whether or not your blessed Hillary gets to be President is a matter of complete indifference to me - one American right-wing millionaire who needs to claim that their favourite book is the Bible is pretty much like any other to those of us who don't live there and don't particularly care - but don't you think that your record of banning people from groups where you are a host is rather . . . childish? It's a bit like taking your ball and leaving the playground because no-one want to play the same game as you.

And then sticking your fingers in your ears and humming loudly whenever anyone questions you about it.

Anyone who tries to engage with you at all beyond your familiar string of one-line expressions either seems to end up getting banned or left with one of your "I refuse to talk to you any more" posts.

No doubt you will claim that this is a personal attack on you and I'm sure that the usual suspects would be happy to join in and say what a nasty atheist bastard I am but, really, it's not an attack at all. Although we have never met - and never will - it's obvious that you and I don't like each other but I would never ban you from anywhere because you dared to disagree with me or because you laughed at me. Laugh away - it doesn't touch me and it certainly doesn't hurt anyone.

I'm just wondering: why won't you answer EvolveOrConvolve's questions? I mean, you came into our safe haven - from which no-one has banned you - presumably to engage with people, right?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

81. So you're not going to answer my questions?

I'll keep you in my prayers.

[AlbertCat]

71. Did you notice in Rug's reply to Justina (# 42)

... that he called us all shit throwing monkeys?


How come that's not hide worthy?

I'm inclined to report it, but I don't "hide" people. It especially seems unfair to do so to damaged children.

[hrmjustin]

72. My name is Justin, not Justina.

[Heddi]

73. It was an honest mistake but of course it will be thrown in his face till the end of time.

[beam me up scottie]

74. Do you think what rug did was Christian?

[kdmorris]

76. It was a mistake

I have to keep myself from typing out Dough all the time when addressing one of my clients named Doug.

[AlbertCat]

77. A typo.

Last edited Sat Oct 3, 2015, 02:47 PM - Edit history (1)

There should be no letters after the "n". Musta hit it when I hit the "shift".


Besides, the feminine of "Justin" is "Justine" ....as in De Sade's book.

[hrmjustin]

78. Thank you.

[AlbertCat]

80. You're welcome.

Besides, were I to sissify your name I would have gone much more elaborate.... and not as an insult. I like sissies (I was one) and drag queens and bears and leather guys and all those "subcategories" of gay men. They make for a great party.

[cleanhippie]

89. Narcissism doesn't suit you.

And yet you wear it so well.

[kdmorris]

75. You can't alert on it now anyway, because 24 hours has passed.

It will not go to a jury after 24 hours.

[mr blur]

79. Well, takes one to know one, right?

[Goblinmonger]

92. Just feel like it's time to revisit this.

Because, you know, vacations. Oh, and stupid alerts--probably more of those coming.

ETA: I know you're reading this, buddy.

[trotsky]

93. He can't quit us.

We only get a temporary break from the impotent rage.

[cleanhippie]

94. Yeah, but it's a break for two months!

How sweet the place smells already.

[mr blur]

95. Is it Lent already? Q.E.D!

Did I use that correctly? Well, no need to start now . . .

[AlbertCat]

99. Q....E....D...

In this best of all possible possible possible worlds!

(From "Candide". The BEST lyrics by Richard Wilbur. Notice the internal rhymes. And then there's Bernstein's music too. A great but very difficult show.)

[skepticscott]

97. Yes, it's gotten a good airing out

due to a variety of absences. Not sure where they've gone, though. Would hate to think that they have some secret group where they talk bad about all of us and try to make sense of it all.

[Warren Stupidity]

96. Light a candle.

[edhopper]

98. I missed it

what happened? where did he go?

[beam me up scottie]

100. Kicking for those who continue to lie in alerts to get posts in this group hidden.

I don't think we should forget this incident, especially since some people still think they can claim the high road.

[onager]

101. Will see your Kick and raise you a Bump.

And some music in honor of the OP...

Oh, how your bubble's gonna burst
When you meet another nurse,
She'll be driving in a hearse...

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="

?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[beam me up scottie]

102. Nice! Thank you for that!

For an "echo chamber" we sure do have a lot of lively discussions about all kinds of topics.

Unlike other groups who only get traffic when they whine about how persecuted they are by dem evul atheists!!1!

Our group rocks!

[skepticscott]

103. And we actually have

a collective sense of humor about ourselves...really kind of sad to see other groups that don't and that you know never will.

[Act_of_Reparation]

104. VERY SERIOUS PEOPLE don't have time for humor.

Who has time to laugh when there are so many wrong people on the internet?

[beam me up scottie]

105. And look at how much traffic we get.

This is the livliest and most popular group for a reason. We don't sit around and whine about how persecuted we are on DU, we actually enjoy ourselves.