putting their lives in the way to save others.
But outside the dying for sins bullshit, how did Jesus die for anyone? Whose life did his sacrifice save?
And since people still supposedly sin and can be sent to hell, who did he die for, how did his death change anything?
How does that compare with, say, the emergency workers who went into the towers to save people?

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)

5. Yep...that's kinda' what I thought. He didn't seem to die for much if we're still going to hell.

Reply to edhopper (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 16, 2015, 09:44 AM

Aug 2015

Reminds me of my neighbor who paid some teens to mow his lawn...to be done the next day (Monday)
Anyway, he came home from work on Monday...the teens came back for their money and he said: :You did a great job but you mowed and trimmed the house next door. (which they did!)

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)

8. Jesus didn't even stay dead

Reply to BlueJazz (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 16, 2015, 02:29 PM

Aug 2015

What kind of sacrifice is it when you can just come back from it?

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)

9. Good point !

Reply to Lordquinton (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 16, 2015, 02:57 PM

Aug 2015

onager

(9,356 posts)

10. He's one-third of God...

Reply to BlueJazz (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:41 AM

Aug 2015

...so I never understood the "great sacrifice" bit, either. WHAT great sacrifice? "OK, I'll be in pain for a little while...oh wait, probably not, since I'm the son of a Deity and one-third of the same Deity. Along with that slacker the Holy Ghost, who never seems to do anything..." Etc. Etc.

And as LQ says, he didn't even stay dead.

On that topic, as a former SoB (Southern Baptist), I grew up hearing the standard sales pitch: "Only ONE person has ever come back from the dead...!!!"

Well, that's a lie, according to the damn Buy-bull itself. In fact, by the time Jesus temporarily went Tango-Uniform, resurrection of the dead must have been fairly common in Judea.

Since according to the Buy-bull, Jesus himself had resurrected 3 people: Lazarus, the young daughter of a Roman centurion, and a widow's only son.

Not only that...according to Matthew, on the day of the crucifixion, the dead left their tombs and wandered around Jerusalem yakking with the living. WTF? The streets are cluttered with zombies but outside the Buy-bull...NOBODY THOUGHT THIS WAS WORTH MENTIONING?

Jerusalem was a religious/government center housing a lot of literate people for the time, including Roman civil servants. Yet nobody wrote down a word about all those ambulatory corpses. Amazing. If you're looking for a miracle, IMO that beats the hell out of curing lepers or killing pigs with instant demonic possession.