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Brainstormy

(2,433 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:30 PM Aug 2015

I love you anyway

I've been a conscious atheist for many years now. I've been through lots of stages, including the closeted, timorous mouse stage, the mostly just uncomfortable what-do-I-do-with myself in X situations ? newbie, the knowledge-acquiring growth stage, the militant in-your-face let's-fight-about-it stage, and most recently the what are you gonna' do, life is too short, you can't wake up folks who don't know they're sleeping stage. I've been ostracized and mocked, but luckily I haven't suffered terribly since coming out. Members of my family, while mostly believers, are generally well-educated, tolerant folks. What DOES happen sometimes--it happened today -- is that someone I really like discovers I'm not a believer and says to me, with tenderness and pity in their eyes, that they "love me anyway."

It just stops me in my tracks. My immediate reaction is hostility. Belligerence. FURY! (I know, I know. ) It's like I want to punch out this person who "loves me anyway" because I'm rational.

Does this happen to anyone else? Is this Freud, Jung, Carl Sagan, George Carlin? Somebody PLEASE tell me you've had the experience of practically wanting to KILL someone who loves you anyway. And then tell me how you handle it. I'm feeling crummy. small. petty. Not very rational.

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I love you anyway (Original Post) Brainstormy Aug 2015 OP
The common reaction I get Cartoonist Aug 2015 #1
Once... AlbertCat Aug 2015 #2
LOL. Love it! Brainstormy Aug 2015 #9
This has happened to me more than once, Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #3
don't think I can do the Brainstormy Aug 2015 #10
You do have to choose who you say what to. Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #12
I've never been told I'm too nice to be an atheist. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #11
I don't believe it! Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #13
It's true! Everyone I know sucks! Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #14
This probably won't help but just in case.. onager Aug 2015 #4
I think you nailed it Brainstormy Aug 2015 #7
It's someone you really like, so I'd have the conversation. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #5
Just say you do too. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #6
and that's good advice, too Brainstormy Aug 2015 #8

Cartoonist

(7,557 posts)
1. The common reaction I get
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:40 PM
Aug 2015

Is one of bewilderment that anyone could be an atheist. I don't know if they still love me.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
2. Once...
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 06:19 PM
Aug 2015

..... I was waiting for my friend Pam to get off work at this Bar at the beach, and I had a beer with 2 of her boy friends...who kept making snide, but not rude (and kinda funny really) gay quips at me which I would make snarky comebacks to. Then one slapped me on the shoulder and said, "Y'know, you're ok!"

I just very sarcastically said "I'm so very glad you approve. I don't know what I'd do if you didn't."


And that is my standard reply to "love you anyway".

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
3. This has happened to me more than once,
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 06:37 PM
Aug 2015

along with the "you are too nice to be an atheist" or the "but how can you be so moral". I can't give you advice on this, since I have not evolve to the "what are you gonna do" stage. But I did learn a long time ago that a backhanded compliment is still a compliment, so I usually just laugh and say "that is very Christian of you" or "I love you anyway too".

Brainstormy

(2,433 posts)
10. don't think I can do the
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:42 PM
Aug 2015

"very Christian of you" bit but "I love you anyway too" works. Thanks!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
13. I don't believe it!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:49 AM
Aug 2015

I am sure that you can be a nice and giving person. You must just have sucky friends and acquaintances.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
14. It's true! Everyone I know sucks!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:50 AM
Aug 2015

I knew there had to be an explanation. I feel much betters now.

onager

(9,356 posts)
4. This probably won't help but just in case..
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 06:45 PM
Aug 2015


I totally understand the feeling "crummy small and petty." I used to think I felt that way because the religious person was being "bigger" than me, and loving me in spite of my faults.

Now I think FTS. Being an atheist is not a fault. And if that person really loves me, and knows I'm an atheist, they just won't mention the subject.

Brainstormy

(2,433 posts)
7. I think you nailed it
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:37 PM
Aug 2015

it makes me feel morally inferior somehow. But I DO need to remind myself that being an atheist is not a fault.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
5. It's someone you really like, so I'd have the conversation.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 06:52 PM
Aug 2015

Did you love me before you knew this about me? Why is it necessary for you to tell me that you "love me anyway" as if you had just discovered a flaw that would make me unlovable were you not so loving? Do you feel that believing something without evidence makes you superior to me in some unseeable way?

I'd pursue the conversation, if I really like the person. If I really don't care about the person for good or ill, my reaction would be entirely different. It would take the form of, "Well fuck you, too."

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
6. Just say you do too.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 07:37 PM
Aug 2015

I love you, regardless of the irrational beliefs you choose to hold.

Works every time.

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