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Related: About this forumIf My Daughter Learns Evolution, She’ll Get Rejected from Vet School, Says West Virginia Dad
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That list included the Jefferson County Board of Education, the State Superintendent, the U.S. Secretary of Education, and the Director of the National Institutes of Health. (If he were alive, Im sure Charles Darwin would have made the list.)
What did they all do wrong?
Smith says that by promoting evolution, theyre ruining his daughters ability to get into veterinarian school, thereby stopping her from earning a good living.
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Er, no . . . I don't even . . . what?!
More, as they say, at link:
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)McDonald's and Walmart are always hiring.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)You go on about McDonalds, and yet you have a dancing cat in your sig-line. Talk about hypocricy.
Also, not one word from you about the photoshopped photo in the snip provided by Mr. Blah or whatever. I don't even know because I have him on ignore. Why can't you comment on the fact that OBVIOUSLY this is a fake photo, as demonstratable by the way the girl is not only wearing glasses WRONG but glasses that are very much out of the current style.
How you can take this article seriously after these glaring contradictions in fact I just don't know.
I had really hoped you'd be better then this but I guess I was WRONG. I know I get poked fun at because of my Kumbahyah attitude but so be it! If everyone tells you you have a tail YOU BETTER TURN AROUND AND LOOK!
See you round the camp-fire.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This just proves A&A Puritans have no sense of humour.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)Now off to the kiln with ye
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Do you know where your androids are?
Well, do you?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What do they look like?
It's quite possible the dogs ate them, I'll need to check their poop.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I though he said "adenoids"....
You don't know where your adenoids are.... well do you?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Had to order one for the shop last week, just tracked the shipment - it's in Cleveland.
pokerfan
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I cant even imagine going into a field that requires in-depth knowledge about diverse animals, that requires comparative anatomy and physiology, without understanding the relationships between those organisms.
One last thing: sending your daughter off to learn biology while telling her that evolution has no math to back it is self-defeating. The first upper level biology course she takes, she will learn that Daddy lied about evolution its a truckload of math. And if Daddy lied about biology, what else has he lied about? Daddy is the kind of Christian atheists love: he raises smart young women and burdens them with faith-based rubbish that is easily demolished, discrediting her religion in the process.
Thanks, Dad. But really, for your daughters sake, wed rather you raised her with a better understanding of how science works, and if you really need to, a religion that is more tolerant and open-minded and slightly more difficult to reduce to a shambolic hateful smear.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/05/30/so-backwards/
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thank you for posting that!
So you bite the bullet and send your daughter to a real school, and you tell her to pray a lot and not listen when the professors explain how the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, or perhaps you tell her to listen and parrot it back on the tests, but dont believe it. It wont work. Its not like evolution represents a small collection of facts she can regurgitate on an exam its a whole body of concepts that reinforce each other and make biology comprehensible. Higher ed is not an exercise in memorization! You cant pretend her brain is a Chinese room and that she can just shuffle out answers reflexively without thinking about them.
This is what confuses the hell out of me when it comes to educated people like Ben Carson:
Carson's views on evolution and creationism have also been controversial. In a 2006 debate with Richard Dawkins, Francis Collins, and Daniel Dennett, Carson stated: "I don't believe in evolution...I simply don't have enough faith to believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think, and plan, and have a moral sense of what's right and wrong, just appeared."[77] In 2012, nearly 500 professors, students, and alumni of Emory University wrote a letter expressing concern about his views in advance of his commencement speech (there was no request to rescind the invitation). They cited a quote in an interview with the Adventist Review: "By believing we are the product of random acts, we eliminate morality and the basis of ethical behavior". Carson clarified that "Those of us who believe in God and derive our sense of right and wrong and ethics from God's word really have no difficulty whatsoever defining where our ethics come from. People who believe in survival of the fittest might have more difficulty deriving where their ethics come from. A lot of evolutionists are very ethical people."[76]
How the hell does a world renowned neurosurgeon come to the conclusion that the batshit fucking insanity called 'young earth creationism' is the correct "theory"?
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Because over the years he has become a colossal megalomaniac and egotist who thinks his personal notions and fee-fees are THE way things are.
Religion requires heaping spoonfuls of ego.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'll never understand religious whack jobs.
onager
(9,356 posts)Still trying to understand his ranting about the different shades of blonde hair. Though I suspect trying to understand it is a mistake in the first place.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Though I'm sure there are posters here who would argue that this moonbat should be accommodated, just in the spirit of Kumbayaishness.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)OK - no smarty comments from me about WV.
But you know I'm thinkin' them.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Don't most of these fools hate frivolous law suits ?
Heddi
(18,312 posts)the one that is posted above in the snip, I mean. I don't think that's the daughter referred to in the article. Also, I have worn glasses my whole life and therefore I have many friends with glasses, and I don't think I've EVER seen anyone wear their glasses all kattywompus like the girl in the photo is. I think this is a deceptive ploy to make the eager young woman in the article appear to be a complete klutz. Talk about gender stereotyping!
I've looked all over the internet for the original version of this photo, and I can't find anything. This leads me to believe (based on the pamphlet I read once about the Journalism classes at the Junior College in town) that this is probably some kind of photo-shop job or something?
I find it very distracting. Also, can anyone tell me what book it is that she is reading? She seems to be about 3/4 of the way into the book yet with her glasses so askew on her face, I wonder if she really READ the book or is just looking at it. These are important things to know and I cannot even begin to read the article without knowing these details.
Also, the young woman in the article sounds very bright and ambitious. I wish her all the luck in her career as a veterinary technician, also known as a scientist.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)someone completely stunned and possibly confused by the sheer ignorance stupidity of some jerk saying that vets shouldn't know about evolution.
Perhaps she's meant to be reading the Bible and she just can't believe the bullshit and drivel that's in there. Maybe she's wondering how many talking snakes or arguing donkeys she'll have to treat as a vet.
Also, you mustn't place too much stock in the things you read in journalism courses. Make sure you get your information from credible sources.
Rob H.
(5,585 posts)I didn't, because I can learn everything I need to know about journalism by observing journalists. Any sort of foundational document that explains or at least illuminates how and why they do the things they do or believe what they believe is a waste of time! They're not all the same, you know, well, other than having to have a uniform set of professional ethics, which I also haven't read, because what's that going to tell me? The proper way to quote people? LOL. Who has time to be that careful or honest?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)That's the opensource photo editing tool. Open source is probably a communist plot to destroy microsoft, so really somebody should alert on this post because we need to have more microsofts and fuck linux, amirite?
mr blur
(7,753 posts)I've seen that picture!
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)And I can never un-see it.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)For pepperoni
onager
(9,356 posts)Alerted. And flagged for review by Sea Org.
NeoGreen
(4,033 posts)..."kattywompus" is just over the top...and hurtful...
Plus, you make "Klutz" sound like a bad thing...
Now I hadz the sadz...
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Mocking people is not allowed. It's persecution. I'm not talking to you anymore.
Goodbye.
No, really, I mean it.
Really.
So . . . goodbye then.
For ever.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Oh Heddi.....
that's the way all the kids these days are wearing their glasses and hair.
Geez.... get with it girl!
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Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I can hardly believe that this is a real story, it is so bizarre. There will be a very rude awakening when she gets to college and has to take Evolutionary Biology, among other biology courses......and every one of them, from Biology 101 will be teaching evolution. This poor girl!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Most of them cannot be said in the presence of minors.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Place reminds me of my favourite bar back in the day.
progressoid
(50,784 posts)NO SUCH THING as a friendly atheist!
I clicked on that link and it's nothing but snobby heathens bashing Christians.
iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,664 posts)She can join the military, go to war and automatically become a vet.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)In much the same way, as the number of whitish blond-haired people began to increase the number of people with pure white hair dwindled. The more the number of redheads increases, the more the natural blond-haired adults will be absorbed by decreasing into extinction, because of the effects of Kendihuchrodnamixgenesis.
You can't argue with big words like "Kendihuchrodnamixgenesis"!