Wow! Religious privilege runs strong in GD.

[MindPilot]

All you have to do is question the effectiveness of a public official publicly praying and you'll get your thread locked. As usual us non-believers are told essentially "you have your own forum (which is still under "Religion & spirituality&quot STFU and know your place".

[TreasonousBastard]

1. Before this one gets locked, let me chime in...

that the thread you speak of was antagonistic and against the rules.

Flamebait I believe it's called.

It's pointless, rude, and against the rules.

[MindPilot]

3. The rules clearly favor the religious point of view.

Which is the point, in case you missed it.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. OK, so tell me how long a thread would last...

if it claimed all atheists were immoral assholes destined for hell?

As a "nonpracticing" atheist myself, I find any aggressive promotion of religious, or nonreligious, belief offensive.

[truebrit71]

17. They don't claim they're immoral assholes, they say we are "vermin" instead...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225582#post7

...and a DU jury okayed it...

But no...there's no religious privilege on DU....

[TreasonousBastard]

19. I didn't read that as...

"all nonbelievers are vermin"

I read it as "some militant nonbelievers use any entry to attack and trash believers."

And those who do that are indeed vermin.

[beam me up scottie]

20. "some militant nonbelievers use any entry to attack and trash believers."

A straw man argument used by anti-atheist bigots.

Is that one yours or did you borrow it from the homophobic hypocrite who wrote that post?

I am shocked you're siding with that one.

Shocked I tell ya.

[TreasonousBastard]

24. Are you really going to deny that...

trolling religious expression doesn't happen around here?

Go ahead and try-- not only won't you convince me, but there are a lot of other people reading who think you're full of it.

[beam me up scottie]

26. "but there are a lot of other people reading who think you're full of it."

I have a fan club???

Speaking of trolling, how much time do you spend here?

Are there any subjects you want to see discussed?

Maybe a suggestion for an option on one of our fabulously popular internet polls?


Speaking of fabulous, have you seen our numbers lately?:

Atheists & Agnostics - Number of posts, 30 days: 2,723

Number of subscribers: 478

Do tell me what you and your friends think about our group, I find your hypocrisy opinions endlessly fascinating.





I promise to take you as seriously as I take your buddies.



Really.

[TreasonousBastard]

27. You didn't answer about the trolling, just...

bragged about your own group.

What you do in your own group is usually OK. What you outside of your group is my point.

And why are you grouping me in with believers in general?

[beam me up scottie]

28. You mean I ignored the shit you made up while trolling our group.

There, fixed that for you.

I'm not grouping you in with believers, most of them don't troll here, they mind their own business.

I'm grouping you in with the other hypocrites who whine about our behaviour instead of you know, minding their own business.

What you do in your own group is usually OK. What you outside of your group is my point.

Oh, thank you ever so much for your approval.

But since you're in our group, complaining about what we talk about in here, what is your point?

[beam me up scottie]

29. You're a fucking HOST?

I just took a long hard look at your group and after what's been said about AA members there, your arrogance and bullshit accusations of intolerance are even more hypocritical.

There are no words to even describe that kind of hypocrisy.


Listen up, bub, when I go barging into your group whining about your posts and trolling your discussions, then and only then will you have the right to confront me about my behaviour.



Get off that high horse, pick up its shit and go practice what you preach in your own house.

[TreasonousBastard]

31. Yeah, I'm a host, and agreed with blocking you...

for trolling and starting fights in that group, so that's done and gone already.

Now, once again-- I have no problem with anything anyone does in this group; I even agree with you guys most of the time. I do have a problem with some of the things done in other groups.

As far as scurrilous attacks on individuals here, or even on ideas proposed, I'm not aware of that being a big problem. If it is, you might alert or contact the hosts about specific problems. We don't actually like insults over there, even if it's our own people starting it.

[beam me up scottie]

33. I was blocked? When? What the hell are you talking about?

I've only gone into interfaith once and that was to explain to an atheist that they were in the wrong place. Do a search.

I do have a problem with some of the things done in other groups.

I respect your group, I don't follow anyone in there, I don't alert and I don't troll.

As far as scurrilous attacks on individuals here, or even on ideas proposed, I'm not aware of that being a big problem. If it is, you might alert or contact the hosts about specific problems. We don't actually like insults over there, even if it's our own people starting it.

None of the threads I looked at were recent and I'm not interested in dredging up old feuds. If you stay out of my business I'll stay out of yours.

I even agree with you guys most of the time.

Is that really true? Then what is this all about? If you have a problem with me you might want to follow your own advice and alert the hosts, but afaik I didn't violate any rules.

[Warren Stupidity]

44. well you post here and we are all vermin so you must have been blocked

it was an honest mistake.

[TreasonousBastard]

49. My mistake, it's someone else blocked. I shouldn't post while...

the good porn is on.

At any rate, we seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing so I'm bailing.

[Rob H.]

47. "We don't actually like insults over there, even if it's our own people starting it."

Really? Because when one of Interfaith's regulars made this comment, not only did none of the hosts seem to have a problem with it, one of them was there yukking it up right along with him. Another regular agreed, and the same host found that agreement funny, too.

Until you're as concerned with the tone in your own safe haven as you seem to be with the tone in this one, you should really think twice about wagging your finger at anyone here.

Edit: And in case you've forgotten, another regular signed off one of his posts to an atheist with, "In conclusion, fuck you, you fucking fucker," which did get hidden, but it got turned around on the person to whom the response was directed and he was blamed because apparently his mere presence was "baiting." The comment was even defended elsewhere and continued to be blamed on the person at whom it was directed. If you come out of this thread remembering nothing else, remember that.

[AtheistCrusader]

51. There's an ongoing form of hostility between a couple well-defined camps, yes.

I don't see anyone from A&A actively 'trolling' believers outside that well-defined camp.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. So are you just trying to see if we are even remotely as intolerant as

your empty interfaith echo chamber? Good luck with that. You will have to be much more direct to get the desired output.

[TreasonousBastard]

25. Of course not. Many of you are intolerant, but primarily trolling...

and insulting are your stock in trade.

[Warren Stupidity]

35. like vermin, am I right?

[trotsky]

37. Am I vermin, TB?

Who meets your definition? Are there people on DU who do?

Should they be exterminated like vermin?

[amuse bouche]

55. "I read it as "some militant nonbelievers use any entry to attack and trash believers."

"And those who do that are indeed vermin"

what about people who trash the KKK? Are they vermin?

[Lordquinton]

30. Your viewpoint is offencive

If starting prayers in a general discussion forum isn't aggressively promoting their religion, than what is?

Plus it's a huge strawman, equating an atheist saying "Hey I'm here, and what you're doing actually offends people" to pretty much anything a church does, as they can't breathe without thanking god that he made it possible.

in other words, check your privilege.

[TreasonousBastard]

32. How is it offensive to say that I don't agree with...

either religious or anti-religious expressions in GD?

And I don't say I support prayer circles in GD-- there's another place for that.

[Warren Stupidity]

34. a "nonpracticing" atheist

that would be a theist.

[TreasonousBastard]

40. No it wouldn't-- I don't define you so don't define me.

[trotsky]

42. You've defined some people as vermin.

So take your own damn advice. How fucking hateful.

[Warren Stupidity]

43. that's funny since you've done just that right here.

perhaps you can pray to your atheist gods that I will stop pointing out your nonsense.

[AlbertCat]

48. I find any aggressive promotion of religious, or nonreligious, belief offensive.

Shall we talk about hats?

I mean, so you won't be offended.

The latest cleaning products for the bath? I know! We can talk about how lovely spring is every year. That won't offend anyone at all! And we can just pretend religion is still just all hunky dory and atheists should shut up.

[LiberalAndProud]

54. I find that I don't have to "practice" unbelief either. It just is.

Er ... what did you mean by "nonpracticing"?

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Why would this one get locked?

[TreasonousBastard]

8. Ask a a jury. I didn't alert, but I'm sure someone did.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. locking is a host function. Why would the op be locked?

[beam me up scottie]

16. It's almost like someone wants this thread to be locked...

It's not like we get alerted on by people who actually lie about the posts in here.

Or anything.

[mr blur]

36. Why don't you just get another hobby? This one's getting very tiresome,

and you must be getting as bored with it as the rest of us.

Hop over to Interfaith and see how long you last before the hammer drops. The would, at least, put you in good company.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. he's a host of interfaith.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1264

who it seems is trying desperately to provoke a reaction from the hosts of this forum.

[mr blur]

46. Yeah, but I hear that the UberHost over there will ban *anybody*, just for existing.

unless you pray really, really hard for mercy.

[mr blur]

50. Ah, I see that the troll has left the building.

Drop a couple of turds and leave, eh? Someone over there has taught him well.

[Hoppy]

2. How can you question the effectiveness of public officials publiclly praying?

It's very effective.

We kicked the shit out of the Germans twice, Japan once, Spain once, Mexico once, England 1 1/2 times.

Issa, Taliban and Alquaida, not so much.

[MindPilot]

4. Yes I once won at a slot machine...

it was right after saying "please let this spin be the winner."

[Hoppy]

7. Now, everyone else on this thread --- do you see what we mean?

[AtheistCrusader]

18. No. Please explain.

[trotsky]

38. I believe he's illustrating confirmation bias.

Look at all the times prayer worked for us!

(Shh, ignore the times it didn't!)

[AtheistCrusader]

11. I can't parse this post into meaningful language. Halp.

[beam me up scottie]

15. They're not here to help.

They're here to school us.

Helpful would have been something along the lines of opining about the downside of religious flame fests in GD.

[JimDandy]

10. Yep...hosts let Pro-Religion posts like #PrayforNepal stand.

I've given up on sending alerts on religious posts in GD, because the hosts let them stay in violation of the SOP.

[Hoppy]

22. Are you interpreting my post to be pro-religion?

If so, read Mark Twain's "The War Prayer."

[JimDandy]

23. Unless you're a sock puppet

for G_j , who is the OP of #PrayforNepal, then No.

[beam me up scottie]

12. Well it is the season for all politicians to dry hump Jesus for votes.

Maybe you gored the wrong ox?

[MindPilot]

13. Wasn't my thread...

But evidently some things just aren't open for discussion, like high-ranking government people imploring imaginary beings to assist in the aftermath of a natural disaster which was in all likelihood caused by aforementioned imaginary beings.

[beam me up scottie]

14. There are quite a few who complain that believers are persecuted on DU.

If we allow too much criticism of religion it will drive voters from the party.

Or so I've been told.



This poll was posted after the Charlie Hebdo massacre and the backlash against religion in GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026097760

Imo outrage against hateful ideology is a healthy reaction, doesn't matter if it's the pope using homophobic hate speech or muslims killing cartoonists.

But that's just me.

[MindPilot]

41. This thread certainly turned into a perfect example of proving its own point.

Even in the sanctity of "our own forum", religious privilege seeps in to point out the errors of our ways.

"non-practicing atheist" is somewhere between oxymoron and nonsensical, but it smells the same as when someone starts with talking about their "atheist friends."

What next, a guest appearance by an agnostic to lecture about Pascal's Wager?

[Warren Stupidity]

45. SOP for this forum.

Generally we put up with it unless it gets out of hand. Watching the boundary pushing take place is an amusement.

[JNelson6563]

52. Amen brother!

Very amusing indeed!

[trotsky]

53. C'mon now.

We uppity atheists just need to understand that religious belief is IMPORTANT because... well just because so SHUT UP and just go along with it! Thankfully there are many folks willing to take on the burden of putting us vermin in our place.