Hello fellow vermin!!

[truebrit71]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=1225582&alert=7#post7

Apparently calling members of the DU A&A group vermin is acceptable in the echo chamber that is the 'Prayer Circle'...

Mighty "christian" of them.

But at least we know there's no religious privilege here...

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Is that a step up or a step down from being a fucking fuck?

[truebrit71]

3. Good question, all we do know for sure is that they are DU jury-approved descriptions...

...of Atheist by some of the "christians" on this board.

My other favourite part is this "Take comfort in the knowledge that most of us, including atheists, are praying in our own ways "

Um, no. Entirely and utterly, NO we're not praying.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. that one is an example of an atheist who believes in gods and demons and prayer.

a "tactical atheist".

[LiberalAndProud]

10. I can say for certain that I'm not praying.

I'm not even "visualizing." Some atheists are neither militant nor atheist.

[Doctor_J]

17. That one got like 200 recs

DU has some idiosyncrasies

[mr blur]

2. Who said that? Ignore means I have to guess.

Can you give me a clue? Were there boats involved? goats? Ducks?

[truebrit71]

4. Boats.

..

[LiberalAndProud]

5. Just know that it was a Tacky comment.

Followed by a huzzah from the host.

[Warpy]

6. Must be ignore working its magic

and now I have to go take a shower for getting near that group and I hate taking showers these days because I'm afraid I'm going to break my other leg and now I have a hunk of cardiac flotsam attached to me that needs care and feeding.

[Doctor_J]

24. That screen name means "veer to the right".

DU has gotten bizarre through the years

[Binkie The Clown]

8. Vermin Love Supreme

Vermin Love Supreme is an American performance artist and activist who is known for running as an alternative candidate in various local, state, and national elections in the United States. Supreme is known for wearing a boot as a hat and carrying a large toothbrush. He has said that if elected President of the United States, he will pass a law requiring people to brush their teeth. He also campaigned in 2012 on a platform of zombie apocalypse awareness (and zombie-based energy plan) and time travel research, and he promises a free pony for every American. Supreme claims to mock the political system. In 2011, he participated in the Occupy Boston protests.

[progressoid]

32. Doh!

I should have read all the posts first.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=40858

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. The host of the group has now self-deleted the OP

However, the worst bit of the contents of the offending post are on record, even if the person who called DUers 'vermin' also self-deletes.

By the way, you should have highlighted the word 'vermin' in the alert (I assume it was you who alerted, given the URL you've posted). I seem to have been the only juror to notice the 'vermin' remark.

On Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:32 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Ignore them. They neither help nor hinder
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1225&pid=595

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is meta. SOP of the Prayer group specifies no meta.

"This room is not for meta. This room is not to settle scores. This room is not to mock believers or non-believers."

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:46 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This isn't an OP; it's just a reply. If it were a violation of the SOP it still wouldn't be up to jury to decide if it belongs here or not.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While the comment is very broad it does not violate any other standards.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Wha??? meta for the jury?? There is nothing wrong in this post. It is up to host of the group to hide threads that don't belong, but this is not even an OP. Come on, alerter! Get a life outside if you have to troll the Prayer Group.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Don't go to the Religion
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm hiding this for the comparison of some DUers to 'vermin'. That is rude, over-the-top, and dehumanising.

[truebrit71]

11. No, I wasn't the alerter...

I tried, but was informed it had already been alerted on.

Seems I'm not the only one that thinks that it isn't appropriate to call fellow DU'ers "vermin"....

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. Ah, my apologies for ascribing that mistake to you

I assumed by the timestamp that it had been your alert I served on. It would be interesting to know what the jury would have said if 'vermin' had been pointed out in the alert (juror #1 may have hidden for that reason, of course, and I can't work out what #5 was saying).

[truebrit71]

15. I would hope that it would be have had a different result...

...but you never can tell sometimes with DU juries...some just don't bother to read, or get the context of the post that's been alerted on.

[Cartoonist]

12. They neither help nor hinder

Isn't that the definition of people who pray?

[skepticscott]

14. No kidding, just imagine the reaction

if an atheist in our safe haven had referred to Catholics as "vermin". Or Mormons. Or Native Americans. Or Blacks. Or multi-racial people. Or homosexuals. But apparently those in the God-loving, oh-so-charitable prayer circle think it's perfectly appropriate to refer to atheist DUers that way. And not a word of protest from any of the self-righteous preachers of 'civility' that inhabit those spaces. Why am I not surprised, given who is in charge over there?

[JNelson6563]

61. Oh but that's different!

Because...reasons!1!!

[skepticscott]

63. Reason 1=Prvilege!!

Nice to see you my friend! Hope you're warming things up there

[JNelson6563]

67. Can't wait to see you guys!

The weather is now fabulous here! Hugs to you and Mrs. Skeptic!

Julie

[AtheistCrusader]

16. I have long identified as something like a porcupine, so this is remarkably accurate.

Porcupines are rodents with a coat of sharp spines, or quills, that protect them against predators. The term covers two families of animals, the Old World porcupines and New World porcupines. Both families belong to the Hystricognathi branch of the vast order Rodentia, both display similar coats of quills, but they still are quite different and are not closely related.

Vermin is etymologically derived from Varmint.

"Varmint or varmit is an American-English colloquialism, particularly common to the American east and South-east within the nearby bordering states of the vast Appalachia region. The term describes farm pests which raid farms as opposed to infest farms—mainly predators such as foxes, weasels, and coyotes, sometimes even wolves or rarely, bears, but also, to a lesser degree, herbivores and burrowing animals that directly damage crops and land."

tl;dr Don't touch me.

[mr blur]

21. Actually, I think it pre-dates American-English

From the Latin "vermis", via old French to Middle English. I would have thought that "varmint" came from "vermin", not vice versa.

Sorry to contradict you but we vermin are an disruptive lot. Ask any sailor.

[mr blur]

19. I'm not naming any names here, but

there really are some disgusting excuses for human beings around, aren't there?

[beam me up scottie]

20. Yep.

If I was married to someone like that I would be too ashamed to lecture anyone about anything.

[onager]

27. At least the "vermin" name-calling is original...

...or not...

[beam me up scottie]

29. muriel pointed out how offensive that language is in GD.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6590615

It's certainly much worse than anything I've ever seen DU atheists post about believers.

After the poster got shut down in that group, they decided to follow up with a thread in the other forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218195175

To show atheists who don't pray that we're clueless because he prays and you know, he's an atheist too.

[trotsky]

37. A good point, bmus.

I was trying to think of the worst thing any atheist has called a believer here on DU. Apologist, accommodationist, "religionista," I can't think of a single thing that even comes close to labeling a group of people as something that carries disease and/or needs to be exterminated. What horrible hatred. So glad I have that individual on ignore.

[mr blur]

53. I got banned from Interfaith first ever post for using "religionista".

I should have used "vermin", as that is more acceptable to the religionistas, apparently. Who knew?

[trotsky]

58. Indeed. We need to be more careful with our language. n/t

[haikugal]

59. Damn BMUS!

That was a righteous rant!!!

[LostOne4Ever]

33. We learned that all too well during the Charlie Hebdo incident

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Some of the comments coming from people back then made me physically ill.[/font]

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Is that similar to an Alien Anal Probe?

[beam me up scottie]

23. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! - Cartman, lol!

From now on that's whose voice I'll hear in my head whenever I read his posts.

You will respect his authoritah!

Fuck the bigots and bullies and nasty hate mongering anti-theists. Fuck all fascists.

[trotsky]

38. We're fascists too?

When one's hatred turns one into a caricature, perhaps it's time to go get some therapy.

[onager]

25. Deja vu all over again.

I'm pretty sure the other half of that couple once referred to us as "vermin," too.

This was a few years ago, and I think the post was in the old "Meta/Hosts" group.

It stuck in my mind at the time because of her constantly chiding other people about civility, etc.

Old-timers: this was back when yet another member of the family was posting. You may remember that he suddenly popped up in the Religion group asking for "Fresh New Perspectives On Religion" etc.

Well, that turned out to be the same stale old perspectives for A/As - sit down, STFU, and just marvel at the awesomeness of our religion. Oh, and please join us in fighting our common enemy, the Religious Right, after we get finished insulting you. Yeah, I'll sign right up for that...

That family member also barged into the A/A group, shaking his cyber-finger at us and demanding that we respect his inane God-bothering. But that didn't last long.

I think I may still have that other "vermin" post archived somewhere. It's so old it may not still be searchable with normal methods. I'll post it in this thread if I find it.

[beam me up scottie]

30. ZOMG!!! I remember you getting VERY ANGRY at his intrusion on DU2!

It took me a while to find the thread but here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=263x44668


RIGHTEOUS !!!


Angry onager is very sexy, btw.


That family's rise to power preceded my extended break from DU.

[trotsky]

39. He was a fuckin' prize, that one.

Anti-atheist bigot, thought everything good in the world was brought into it via religion. So glad he took his bigotry and left.

[giftedgirl77]

40. Looks like you have pissed someone off...

On Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:45 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

ZOMG!!! I remember you getting VERY ANGRY at his intrusion on DU2!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=40857

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack on fellow DU members and family and call-out of members not participating in this thread

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:16 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alerter, enough of these personal attacks on DUers, the place is becoming hostile to those who are here to discuss issues. 
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is so obtuse that unless you know a great deal more than I do it just seems like a tantrum which liberals can certainly deal with.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stupid ass, really should be banned for their behaviors, never nice, always stirring shit.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Seems personal.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems acceptable 

[AtheistCrusader]

44. Wow, I'm surprised that got three votes.

Fascinating.

[giftedgirl77]

47. Meh, I got a hide yesterday for saying fuck your link.

& was then chastised for using such harsh language. It's all a damn crap shoot.

[trotsky]

49. LMAO

Now that's funny.

[Act_of_Reparation]

48. But I have it on good authority from one of the nautical types that no one is lurking in AA...

...looking for posts to hide.

BMUS' ultra-specific post must really have raised the ire of some random passerby, no?

[AtheistCrusader]

50. Exactly. Curiouser and curiouser

[Curmudgeoness]

51. Your "good authority"

seems to have very little authority, huh?

[Act_of_Reparation]

52. Oh, this person is very wise.

And honest to boot.

I'm sure we're just imagining this whole alert thing.

[Curmudgeoness]

56. Yes, we must imagine it.

All the alerts here in A&A are really being done by us.

[muriel_volestrangler]

64. Yeah, considering there wasn't any attack at all in the post

it's surprising - and worrying. Some jurors seem to take the word of an alerter for it without even reading the post, let alone ones around it.

And it pisses me off in all kinds of DU situations that alerts whine 'call-out!!!!' when there is absolutely nothing about call-outs in the DU rules.

[AtheistCrusader]

65. I think call-outs were verboted in DU2.

[muriel_volestrangler]

66. They were; but this is DU3

Every single alert that uses the phrase 'call-out' needs to explicitly justify why it's a problem for 'community standards', as far as I'm concerned. This idea of "never talk about DU on DU" doesn't make any sense as a principle. Perhaps starting threads to trash someone is 'disruptive'; but pointing out relevant poor behaviour is not, I think.

[onager]

54. Thanks, giftedgirl77. Surprised I didn't get an Alert.

Trigger Warning: Attack on Family Member:

[giftedgirl77]

55. Lolololololol, this place has gone alert mad.

I got a hide yesterday for saying "fuck your link, what's the question?". Then lectured by the jury members about my language.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

26. Normally the hosts don't like cross-group battles

But fuck it - Justin's a bully and deserves the criticism.

[cleanhippie]

62. But only an Internet bully. I'm sure IRL, milquetoast is the apt description.

[deucemagnet]

28. Unreal.

Outspoken atheists are vermin. Cartoonist-murdering zealots are victims. We have always been at war with Oceania.

[progressoid]

31. Vermin Supreme! They found out about our leader!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme

[LiberalAndProud]

34. : waveback :

[asharpwone]

35. this convinced me I'm more Atheist than Catholic

Sort of about how silly religion folks react to facts

[trotsky]

36. As onager's picture so aptly reminds us...

it's far better to be on the side of people who are called "vermin" than it is on the side of people calling them "vermin."

Proud to stand with you guys against the assholes!

[onager]

41. Batten down the hatches!

[PeaceNikki]

42. This.

[AtheistCrusader]

45. It's usually a sign, that's for sure.

Don't bother me none.

[trotsky]

46. It's a badge of honor now.

If you're hated by someone that foul and nasty, it's a great sign you're doing something right.

[mr blur]

57. Well, I for one welcome our new Verminous Overlords (nt)

[trotsky]

60. What a special treat.

Calling out misogynistic homophobes gets your post deleted. Calling the people who point out your misogyny and homophobia "vermin" is fine.

Gotta love DU.

[onager]

68. Maybe some people haven't had their shots...

This is not just a shameless way to BUMP this most enjoyable thread. Nah, I wouldn't do that...

Just wanted to pass on the vaccination offer from FEMEN, at their anti-Le Pen protest yesterday. And after the Charlie Hebdo clusterfuck, I completely expect the American media to describe that protest as "topless Nazi women invade Paris" or something equally stupid.

From the FEMEN Facebook page:

The patient is often suffering from hallucinations, cult of personality, xenophobia, superiority complex over foreigners, homophobia, racism, sexism and other terrible symptoms. The FEMEN treatment of the fascist epidemic spread by Front National in Europe is going on. The union of extreme-right wing parties coordinated by Front National, UKIP, Freedom Party and others is threatening to become a plague for a democratic Europe. A quick recognition of the disease and its treatment is necessary, to avoid European standards of life being replaced by fascists norms. Make your anti fascists vaccine today. Be healthy and enjoy the democracy! Vaccins anti Fascistes!

Here's a story about the protest:

http://oluwadamilolaadelekan.blogspot.com/2014/05/femen-topless-members-protest-for.html