War of the sexes: Gender theory is the problem, not solution, pope says

[beam me up scottie]

Oops, he did it again.

After comparing gender theory to the education of Hitler Youth in February, the pope now says "God entrusted the earth to the covenant between man and woman: its failure drains the world of affection and obscures the heavens of hope," and links it to the "harmful" "collective crisis of faith in God".

War of the sexes: Gender theory is the problem, not solution, pope says

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Eradicating male and female identities does nothing to solve the problem of unfair or disrespectful treatment based on people's gender, Pope Francis said.

"Getting rid of the difference is the problem, not the solution," he said April 15 during his general audience in St. Peter's Square.

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Modern culture has done much to open up a new and deeper understanding of men and women, "but it also has introduced many doubts and much skepticism," he said.

"For example, I wonder if so-called gender theory may not also be an expression of frustration and resignation that aims to erase sexual differentiation because it no longer knows how to come to terms with it," the pope said.

With gender theory, which argues that male and female characteristics are largely malleable social constructs, he said, "we risk going backward."

The Grand Poobah of Misogyny then went on to say that "we have to do much more in favor of women".





Spare me, Frank.


No, really, just stop - you've done enough already, you fucking hypocrite.


Women would be better off if you and the catholic church ceased to exist.

[Warren DeMontague]

1. Oh yeah, the go-to moral authority, on gender and sexuality.

There you have it!

[beam me up scottie]

6. They should write a book or something.

Maybe clear up all this confusion...

[Warren DeMontague]

7. I've read their books.... or tried to.

Clearing up confusion isn't exactly their forte, either.

[F4lconF16]

2. Can I just say...

[beam me up scottie]

4. I've been trying but

I can't watch the video.

I'm sure it's something good.

[F4lconF16]

10. Seems to be working for me...

Google "The Pope Song" by Tim Minchin. You've probably heard it already

[beam me up scottie]

11. Oh we LOVE Tim Minchin here.

He was our 2014 Meme of the Year Award winner!

I'm stuck with dial up so I can't watch videos, but I love that song. Thanks for reminding me of it!

[NeoGreen]

20. Oops...

...my link broke.

Fixed!

[beam me up scottie]

27. Oh, good.

I thought it was just me.



Thankee kindly!

[skepticscott]

33. Yes, we hear the same lame baloney over in Religion

"Do you really think that billions of believers all over the world are silly and deluded?"

No nice way to say it, but yeah. If you think the sort-of son of a god was killed and came back to life to "redeem" your "sins" and make sure that you'll go to a heaveny sort of a place for an infinite number of years after you die and rot, and that you'll see your dead grandparents and that beagle you had when you were a kid when you get there....yeah.

[beam me up scottie]

36. Well my dad used to say if you don't want to know the answer...

It's like they think they can shame us by asking, like we're going to lie or apologize for being honest.

[beam me up scottie]

18. Tim was on @midnight tonight!

?w=600&c=1

[AlbertCat]

3. no longer knows how to come to terms with it

Before you know it.... people will drop out of regular society and join one that separate the men from the women and insist on celibacy and....


oh wait.


But I will say, anyone who does NOT think millions of years of evolution has maybe something to do with sexual roles in society is kidding themselves. We are not born blank slates, y'know.

[beam me up scottie]

5. And look how well that turned out for everyone.

And by everyone I mean straight males.

Evilution has nothing to do with it, silly, we are CREATED in God's image, we CHOOSE to defy his will.

Listen to the good pope, he's trying to edjumacate you.

[mountain grammy]

8. Women would be better off if all religion ceased to exist.

Although I'm kind of fond of the Roman and Greek goddesses. Some of them kicked ass. Good role models. Probably why those religions did cease to exist.

[beam me up scottie]

9. I like them too.

Yahweh is a terrible bore compared to the Greek gods.

[onager]

12. Here's a bunch of goddesses, all congregating in the same place...

Including ancient Egyptian, Greek and Roman deities together. The catacombs of Kom el-Shoqafa in Alexandria, Egypt, built circa the 2d Century CE. When I lived in Alexandria I loved visiting this place. It descends for 3 stories underground and is wonderfully creepy and weird.

The weirdest thing is the mix of religious symbolism. There's a painting of Anubis preparing a body for the afterlife, placed right above a painting of Persephone going to Hades. Statues of Anubis and the crocodile god Sobek, crammed into the armor and uniforms of Roman soldiers. Totally bonkers.

Local legend says the catacombs were discovered in 1900 by a donkey falling in a hole.

Nearby in Alexandria, a giant pile of rubble stood until 1960, just taking up space. When the archeologists started digging, they found a whole Roman neighborhood - including an amphitheater, public baths and a couple of Roman villas.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacombs_of_Kom_el_Shoqafa

[mountain grammy]

17. Very interesting, thanks.

All that civilization just buried. I love ruins. Fascinating.

[Warpy]

13. He certainly seems determined to march back to the 1500s

First, he obviously has no clue about gender theory.

Second, nothing forces us backward quite like the Vatican, which still considers women to be animated flowerpots into which men sprinkle their seed.

The Grand Poohbah of Misogyny needs to shut the fuck up and listen to women for a few years before he manages to anything in our favor, and I'm talking about non Catholic women who won't fawn over his hat.

And yes, it would be better all over the planet if the Vatican suddenly went "poof."

[beam me up scottie]

14. We're incubators for the church.

Remember when saving the life of a fetus was more important than saving the life of its mother?

[Warpy]

15. It still is.

Get cancer, a clotting disorder, ectopic pregnancy, or other life threatening problem, you're shit out of luck at a Catholic hospital.

They need to shut down L&D units at those hospitals.

[beam me up scottie]

16. Shhhhhh!

We're supposed to believe the apologists when they say that they've made progress.

Seriously, I hear you, several local hospitals are now owned by catholic organizations. As if womens' health care wasn't already compromised in the state.

[trotsky]

19. YAY, BESTEST POPE EVAH!!!!!

Must have been a translation error.

[PeaceNikki]

23. Obviously.

[beam me up scottie]

24. At this point I'm wondering if he can do anything that would bother his fans.

Homophobe - check

Misogynist - check

Pedophile enabler - check

Won't help prevent spread of Aids - check



But he loves us.

[mr blur]

21. How about: "The Pope is part of the problem, not solution", rational people say?

Fixed.

[beam me up scottie]

25. Thank you.

[Lordquinton]

30. How about "Pope Francis's bigoted Catholicism"

Sounds like a solid article.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. Yes, let's ask a 70+ year old professional single virgin about marriage.

You could not find a less qualified adult if you tried.

[beam me up scottie]

26. And sex.

He loves to tell you what you can and can't do with your private parts too.

[onager]

41. Sensualist grump! Don't you know God is love...

[beam me up scottie]

42. Holy cow, that is ... what's the word....

Disturbing? Twisted? Hysterical?

All of the above?




Where do you find this stuff?

[Act_of_Reparation]

28. That's our Frank!

The progressive Pope with a lot of new ideas is gonna change the Church for the better. Just you see!

[beam me up scottie]

29. I know, we're just too impatient.

Demanding that he change the church overnight...

The consummate politician and adoring sycophants: first it was: "Just wait and see, he's gonna change everything!"

And now it's "He can't change anything because they won't let him!" or "He can't go against church doctrine!"

[haikugal]

31. Damn...

Where have I heard that before....

On edit..this sounds like what I hear from Obama apologists. By way of explain explanation.

[uriel1972]

45. If he can't go against church doctrine...

Then he isn't a leader he's a glorified follower.... of a book collated in the 3rd(?) century by a bunch of power hungry maniacs.

What could possibly go wrong

[beam me up scottie]

46. Or just another slick politician.

That ex-FoxNews pr expert he hired is damn good, though.

How many on DU think he's a liberal?

[uriel1972]

47. heh...

giving him the benifit of the doubt that he believes the stuff I suppose. Then again he may be both, a believer and slick.

[beam me up scottie]

48. I think he's both.

How could anyone voluntarily remain a virgin for so long unless they believed their god wants it that way?

It's unnatural.

[haikugal]

32. I love this group!

[beam me up scottie]

34. And we love you back!

[haikugal]

35. When everything gets too heavy elsewhere I come here to relax and laugh.

[beam me up scottie]

37. It's like a family bar in the old neighborhood.

My dad's family owned one in New York, I remember going there as a little kid - it was awesome.

We've got a good bunch here, wouldn't trade them for the world.

[haikugal]

38. Yeah it does have that feel.

Have you ever read Spider Robinsons Callahan's Crosstime Saloon? Since fiction of the best sort..has that feel too.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callahan%27s_Crosstime_Saloon

[beam me up scottie]

39. No, but it looks fantastic!

Definitely my kind of science fiction; it's on my wish list now, thank you!

[haikugal]

40. My IPad made another 'correction' I didn't catch..Siri can be such a bitch!

Robinson writes warm stories and I loved his characters. After finding the Wiki for you I found he has written many more Crosstime Saloon books.. ...fun for me too!!

I hope you enjoy him as much as I have.

[nil desperandum]

43. That pope

always making with the funnies....

[beam me up scottie]

44. Just make sure you don't make fun of what he's wearing.

I read right here on DU that laughing at people's clothes is just like racism and homophobia.