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Judi Lynn

(162,406 posts)
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 06:38 AM Nov 2022

Cave yields Neanderthals find Fossilised bone fragments of a father, teenage daughter and other rela

Cave yields Neanderthals find Fossilised bone fragments of a father, teenage daughter and other related Neanderthals were found in Russia
PUBLISHED : 13 NOV 2022 AT 04:00

Analysing fossils from a cave in Russia, scientists have found the first known Neanderthal family: a father, his teenage daughter and others who were probably close cousins.

The findings, published last month in the journal Nature, painted a tragic picture of our extinct relatives, who roamed Eurasia tens of thousands of years ago. The family, part of a band of 11 Neanderthals found together in the cave, most likely died together, scientists said, possibly from starvation.

The study was carried out by a team of researchers including Svante Paabo, a Swedish geneticist who for 25 years has been uncovering the secrets of Neanderthals, from extracting their DNA from cave floor dirt to replicating their brain cells. He won the Nobel Prize last month for his efforts.

"I would not have thought we would be able to detect a father and daughter from bone fragments, or Neanderthal DNA in cave sediments, or any other of the things that are now becoming almost routine," said Mr Paabo, a director at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. "It has been an amazing journey."

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Cave yields Neanderthals find Fossilised bone fragments of a father, teenage daughter and other rela (Original Post) Judi Lynn Nov 2022 OP
starvation? rampartc Nov 2022 #1
You don't eat your own kin Random Boomer Nov 2022 #2
thank goodness the cases are so rare i can't dispute that observation rampartc Nov 2022 #3

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
1. starvation?
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 08:00 AM
Nov 2022

wouldn't any human (or primate) go "donner party" first?

other than that cheerful thought, great article.

Random Boomer

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2. You don't eat your own kin
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 10:51 AM
Nov 2022

Even in the Donner party, there was a pattern to the deaths and cannibilizations. The survivors were family groups -- women, children and their attached male relatives -- while the victims were mostly males unattached to a family groups. They were "other" and thus vulnerable.

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
3. thank goodness the cases are so rare i can't dispute that observation
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 01:51 PM
Nov 2022

after further review ......

During the Russian famine of 1921–1922, there were many reports of cannibalism.[49] In his book The Gulag Archipelago, Soviet writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn described cases of cannibalism in 20th-century Soviet Union.[49] Of the famine in Povolzhie (1921–1922) he wrote: "That horrible famine was up to cannibalism, up to consuming children by their own parents – the famine, which Russia had never known even in Time of Troubles [in 1601–1603]".[49]

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