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Judi Lynn

(162,385 posts)
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:28 PM Apr 2019

Mummies Unwrapped exclusive: Ramy enters tomb filled with Cloud People skeletons

Mummies Unwrapped exclusive: Ramy enters tomb filled with Cloud People skeletons
By April Neale
24th April 2019 3:18 PM ET

On tonight’s Mummies Unwrapped titled Cave of the Cloud People, Ramy investigates down in Peru and his good buddy will there too, as we reported that Expedition Unknown star and producer Josh Gates is exploring the Gates of the Gods.

But Ramy is on to some ancient mummified dead of a group called the Cloud People. These extremely light skinned Caucasians were a mystery to all the native peoples and the conquistadors who arrived from Europe hundreds of years ago.

These mysterious ancients are considered by experts to be one of the most unique and little known races in the world.

Who are the Cloud People?

These Chachapoya, also known as “Cloud People” lived during the ninth century and had carved settlements in the forests and mountains located in the northern Andes of Peru.

More:
https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/mummies-unwrapped-exclusive-ramy-enters-tomb-filled-with-cloud-people-skeletons/

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Mummies Unwrapped exclusive: Ramy enters tomb filled with Cloud People skeletons (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2019 OP
Celts? DBoon Apr 2019 #1
So unexpected. This is the first time I've ever heard any reference to it. Judi Lynn Apr 2019 #2
Scholarly papers don't seem to discuss that possibility csziggy Apr 2019 #3
Figures that "Mummies Unwrapped" wouldn't cover this DBoon Apr 2019 #4
Thanks for providing all the food for thought, csziggy. Deeply intriguing. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2019 #5

Judi Lynn

(162,385 posts)
2. So unexpected. This is the first time I've ever heard any reference to it.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:06 PM
Apr 2019

It opens the door to a huge mystery.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
3. Scholarly papers don't seem to discuss that possibility
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 09:27 PM
Apr 2019
Genetics preserves traces of ancient resistance to Inca rule
DNA analysis of present-day populations in the Chachapoyas region of Peru indicates that the original inhabitants were not uprooted en masse by the Inca Empire's expansion into this area hundreds of years ago

Date: December 12, 2017
Source: Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History
Summary:
The Chachapoyas region was conquered by the Inca Empire in the late 15th century. Inca oral histories, written down after the Spanish conquest, claim that the native population was forcibly resettled out of Chachapoyas and dispersed across the Inca Empire. However, a new study uses genetic evidence to reveal that despite Inca conquest, the population of Chachapoyas has remained genetically distinct, and not assimilated with that of the Inca heartland.

More: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171212090550.htm


J Hum Genet. 2013 Sep;58(9):627-34. doi: 10.1038/jhg.2013.73. Epub 2013 Jul 18.
Tracing the genomic ancestry of Peruvians reveals a major legacy of pre-Columbian ancestors.
Sandoval JR1, Salazar-Granara A, Acosta O, Castillo-Herrera W, Fujita R, Pena SD, Santos FR.
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Abstract

In order to investigate the underlying genetic structure and genomic ancestry proportions of Peruvian subpopulations, we analyzed 551 human samples of 25 localities from the Andean, Amazonian, and Coastal regions of Peru with a set of 40 ancestry informative insertion-deletion polymorphisms. Using genotypes of reference populations from different continents for comparison, our analysis indicated that populations from all 25 Peruvian locations had predominantly Amerindian genetic ancestry. Among populations from the Titicaca Lake islands of Taquile, Amantani, Anapia, and Uros, and the Yanque locality from the southern Peruvian Andes, there was no significant proportion of non-autochthonous genomes, indicating that their genetic background is effectively derived from the first settlers of South America. However, the Andean populations from San Marcos, Cajamarca, Characato and Chogo, and coastal populations from Lambayeque and Lima displayed a low but significant European ancestry proportion. Furthermore, Amazonian localities of Pucallpa, Lamas, Chachapoyas, and Andean localities of Ayacucho and Huancayo displayed intermediate levels of non-autochthonous ancestry, mostly from Europe. These results are in close agreement with the documented history of post-Columbian immigrations in Peru and with several reports suggesting a larger effective size of indigenous inhabitants during the formation of the current country's population.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23863748



DNA Analysis Finds Descendants of ‘Warriors of the Clouds’ in Peru
Wed, 12/13/2017 - 2:40pm 2 Comments
by Seth Augenstein , Senior Science Writer

The Chachapoyas, the “Warriors of the Clouds,” were a people that lived in the northern elevations of Peru, and put up a long-running struggle against the Inca Empire, which they eventually lost. Traditional tales told to the first Spanish conquerors of the New World about a century after their final defeat held that the Inca forcibly relocated the Chachapoyas to the corners of the massive empire, so they could never again pose a threat.

But a new deep dive into the DNA of these “warriors” indicates their current descendants live on in the same region – and were never fully dispersed to the rest of the Inca Empire, according to a paper in the journal Scientific Reports.

“This unique genetic profile challenges the routine assumption of large-scale population relocations by the Incas,” they conclude.

The Chachapoyas were conquered in the 15th century, the century before the Spanish conquistador Francisco Pizarro captured the Inca Emperor Atahualpa in 1532. But they left traces behind: especially the fortress of Kuelap, known as the “Machu Picchu of the north,” as well as an archaeological trail including other ruins, sarcophagi and pottery.

More: https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/12/dna-analysis-finds-descendants-warriors-clouds-peru

DBoon

(23,057 posts)
4. Figures that "Mummies Unwrapped" wouldn't cover this
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 09:41 PM
Apr 2019

They wanted to suggest this population was based on iron age Celts who managed to find themselves in South America.

The more obvious conclusion doesn't make for a dramatic TV series

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