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Related: About this forumNuclear Power to Recover from Fukushima Foolishness, On Track for New Records in 2025.
This note came in through one of my Nature Briefing News Feed emails: The link therein refers to the Financial Times of London, which is behind a firewall, but the excerpt points to a recent IEA report.
The IEA link is here: Electricity Reports Executive Summary, IEA
Excerpts:
After Fukushima, where few, if any people died from radiation released in the natural disaster, came a period during which nuclear generation declined owing to a festival of ignorance and fear that killed people by driving climate change and air pollution.
There is a lot of the usual praise in the article for so called "renewable energy" which continues to soak up vast sums of money for no result in rates climate change. I have no use for the rhetoric, but in 2023, continuing into 2024, we are beginning to see the tragic results of this unsustainable affectation.
The growth of nuclear energy is not fast enough to save what is left to save and to restore that which can be restored, but I expect that the scales are falling off the eyes of humanity in general and antinukes are finally being seen for the absurd poor thinkers they've always been. In my opinion antinukes have killed a lot of people by their appeals to selective attention, fear, and ignorance, but it's nice to understand a recovery is on the way.
Tripling nuclear capacity is not enough. It needs to grow by one order of magnitude at least, and do so quickly. Hopefully that sinks in sooner rather than later.
Reality bites.
Have a nice weekend.
c-rational
(2,868 posts)Barry Markson
(280 posts)Well, it's 35 miles from our winter home in the Phoenix metro area in the middle of the Sonoran desert.
The plant is totally cooled by "waste" water from the surrounding communities.
Every time we flush the toilet we're cooling the reactor.
Its been helping crank our air conditioner and heat our pool since 1988 without incident.
https://www.maricopa.gov/1002/PVGS#:~:text=Palo%20Verde%20Generating%20Station%20(PVGS,the%20community%20of%20Wintersburg%2C%20Arizona.
Kid Berwyn
(18,033 posts)Gee. If only there were a simpler way to turn a turbine? Without nukes, we wouldn't have all the problems, deadly waste without end, "carbon offsets" needed to mine uranium and pour concrete, for examples, or finding a secure place to store the waste materials that doesn't need to use cat litter, and all the limitless list of problems to worry about, let alone have the taxpayer subsidize. Oh, and the plutonium.
NNadir
(34,675 posts)...one can appreciate the ignorance of people who've been issuing stupid slogans for decades.
If one has no such knowledge, one can produce stupid slogans.
I note that there are very few of the antinukes producing this tiresome tripe who give a rat's ass that Germany boils water using coal.
Nor do they give a rat's ass about the trillions squandered on solar and wind junk driven by mining, the destruction of wilderness and back up by coal and gas.
What antinukes' trisome sloganeering and ignorance has done has left hundreds of millions of air pollution deaths and a planet in flames from climate change.
My experience of these dangerous fools is that they are classic Dunning Kruger types, almost Trumpian in scale, so ignorant as to be unable to grasp even on the surface the scale of that ignorance.
Happily, the educated world is sweeping this ignorance aside.
Even now, this late, this dire, antinukes have no sense of decency.
None.
Have a nice weekend
Kid Berwyn
(18,033 posts)Which is what science is all about.
NNadir
(34,675 posts)In general, we often hear from people who espouse ignorance who nonetheless like to make statements claiming authority from "science." Hell, there is a whole group of people who run around shouting about "creation science" and for that matter, a religion called "Christian Science" that has no connection with science.
I would not qualify a person who obviously understands neither finance or engineering to assert a "truth," particularly when one has not a shred of knowledge about what a Brayton cycle is, or the long practiced history of Brayton cycles.
My son is working on a Ph.D. in nuclear engineering and I assure you he would not have been admitted to it if he didn't know what a Brayton cycle is.
Now we have an antinuke talking about "truth" who clearly doesn't have the slightest clue what a Brayton cycle is and yet comes here to make silly assertions about both science and the purpose of nuclear engineering.
I have have often written on the subject of process intensification in this space in the Science forum. Brayton cycles are a key component of process intensification procedures. I can write about these things because I know what science is and, consequently, whether a person with whom I'm speaking knows what it is.
I see lots of folks who are clueless about science here, some honest about it, but wish to know more - which is fine, even great - and some who make assertions about science despite their obvious cluelessness. Most of the latter are antinukes.
I have a very clear vision here, and only remark on it to point up that antinukes know nothing at all about nuclear energy other than they hate it, just as antivaxxers know nothing about immunology other than that they hate the technology.
Seven British nuclear reactors have operated on Brayton cycles, one of them, still operating and still saving lives from the fear and ignorance of antinukes who give neither a fuck about climate change or air pollution, has been in operation since 1983.
Antinukes are nearly always the equivalent of antivaxxers or creationists discussing, say, molecular biology, except antivaxxers can never aspire to the number of people killed by antinuke ignorance.
The death toll from antinukism is roughly 19,000 people per day according to a publication widely accessed by scientists concerned with human health, and the health of the planet, something, again, about which antinukes couldn't care less.
Here is what it says about air pollution deaths in the 2019 Global Burden of Disease Survey, if one is too busy to open it oneself because one is too busy carrying on about Fukushima:
Climate scientists have also weighed in on the fear and ignorance spread by ignorant antinukes:
Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Power (Pushker A. Kharecha* and James E. Hansen Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (9), pp 48894895)
As for bourgeois brats whining stupidly about nickels and dimes, I note that there are none who give a shit about future generations. All of the wind and solar crap they've been using to greenwash a fossil fuel dependent world will be landfill in 25 years or less, a liability to those generations. The Vogtle nuclear reactors will be operating as the 22nd century dawns, saving lives and producing clean energy for generations otherwise left with the ruins of this generation's extreme and contemptible ignorance.
Have a swell week.