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NNadir

(34,662 posts)
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:36 AM Nov 2022

Hand of Irulegi: ancient bronze artefact could help trace origins of Basque language

The link to this Guardian article appeared in my Nature News Brief a few days back:

Hand of Irulegi: ancient bronze artefact could help trace origins of Basque language

An excerpt:

More than 2,000 years after it was probably hung from the door of a mud-brick house in northern Spain to bring luck, a flat, lifesize bronze hand engraved with dozens of strange symbols could help scholars trace the development of one of the world’s most mysterious languages.

Although the piece – known as the Hand of Irulegi – was discovered last year by archaeologists from the Aranzadi Science Society who have been digging near the city of Pamplona since 2017, its importance has only recently become clear.

Experts studying the hand and its inscriptions now believe it to be both the oldest written example of Proto-Basque and a find that “upends” much of what was previously known about the Vascones, a late iron age tribe who inhabited parts of northern Spain before the arrival of the Romans, and whose language is thought to have been an ancestor of modern-day Basque, or euskera.

Until now, scholars had supposed the Vascones had no proper written language – save for words found on coins – and only began writing after the Romans introduced the Latin alphabet. But the five words written in 40 characters identified as Vasconic, suggest otherwise.

The first – and only word – to be identified so far is sorioneku, a forerunner of the modern Basque word zorioneko, meaning good luck or good omen.

Javier Velaza, a professor of Latin philology at the University of Barcelona and one of the experts who deciphered the hand, said the discovery had finally confirmed the existence of a written Vasconic language...


Basque, along with Hungarian, is one of two languages in Europe that are not in the Indo-European family; other examples are languages in the Sami family of languages, which survive in Scandinavia and parts of North European Russia.
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Hand of Irulegi: ancient bronze artefact could help trace origins of Basque language (Original Post) NNadir Nov 2022 OP
Estonian and Finnish are also non-Indo-European languages Wicked Blue Nov 2022 #1
Yes you are correct, thanks for the addition. My favorite joke about languages is one my... NNadir Nov 2022 #2
True, Finnish is difficult Wicked Blue Nov 2022 #3
We have ideas as to when Finnic languages moved into Europe. Igel Nov 2022 #4
Well, looking into the matter somewhat superficially, I was surprised (as were the authors) that.... NNadir Nov 2022 #5

Wicked Blue

(6,653 posts)
1. Estonian and Finnish are also non-Indo-European languages
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 11:19 AM
Nov 2022

along with smaller, related languages including Karelian, Voro-Seto and Veps.

It is estimated there are about 6.1 million speakers of Finnic languages. Including myself.

NNadir

(34,662 posts)
2. Yes you are correct, thanks for the addition. My favorite joke about languages is one my...
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 11:24 AM
Nov 2022

...German professor told the class in college.

He said that because of the number of cases in Finnish, that the Finnish parliament spends 11 months of the year debating grammar, and in the other month agree to speak Swedish and get all their work done.

No offense, I hope.

Wicked Blue

(6,653 posts)
3. True, Finnish is difficult
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 11:43 AM
Nov 2022

Even though it's close to Estonian, which I speak fluently, Finnish spelling and grammar mystify me.

Igel

(36,082 posts)
4. We have ideas as to when Finnic languages moved into Europe.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:47 PM
Nov 2022

And good data for Magyar.

Vascuence ... There's the problem. An isolate (probably not, but there's a time depth issue here), the real question is whether it's really related to the first iberian/Western European language or whether it intruded from north Africa (meaning Berber-related ... argh).

NNadir

(34,662 posts)
5. Well, looking into the matter somewhat superficially, I was surprised (as were the authors) that....
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 07:33 AM
Nov 2022

...genetically Hungarians seem to bear only a limited genetic connection with speakers of the other Uralic languages.

Mitogenomic data indicate admixture components of Central-Inner Asian and Srubnaya origin in the conquering Hungarians. (It's PLOS One, open access) The authors are Hungarian.

I have wondered about the Hungarian language and how its structure might impact the way people learn, mostly because of "The Martians," the large number of great scientists who emigrated from Hungary to the United States. (One scientist sometimes included among them is George Olah, whose energy ideas about a closed carbon cycle using MeOH/DME dominate my environmental thinking.)

Basque is an entirely different issue of course; I feel I've heard it discussed as the the remnants of early European languages, but to be honest, this is just an impression I've had. Frankly I know very little about it, which is why I suppose this paper caught my eye and I posted reference to it here.

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