Hebrews

[Richard D]

This is an excellent post from Eva Barlow, who is one of my favorite commentators on the current situation in Israel. It includes the remarkable speech from Netanyahu given to the United Nations moments before the attack that killed Hassan Nasrallah in a demonstration of Jewish Chutzpah. So many democrats hate Netanyahu. It is my feeling that history will see him as a hero who put a stop to terrorism, yea, anti-Western terrorism, in the Middle East. A great evil has been removed from this world; in reality, many great evils. I applaud Israel's decision to not back down to world pressure and to continue the fight to a decisive win for human and humane values. This view will undoubtedly make me unpopular on DU, but hey, I already am scorned by many for speaking my truth and for being unapologetically proud of our people.

Sorry, not sorry.

Like a scene out of The Godfather Pt III, Prime Minister Netanyahu went to the UN –an international institution salivating in antisemitism – while his nation’s army had its hand over the button to destroy Hezbollah. In a move of sheer genius, he delivered his no bullshit speech and minutes later the IDF took out the entire chain of command of Hezbollah, including Hassan Nasrallah in a huge round of explosions on the terrorist organization’s headquarters. Nasrallah - the butcher of Lebanon – not only turned Lebanon into a terrorist holding bay but he slaughtered scores of Americans. It was Bibi and the IDF who got justice for decades’ worth of Hezbollah’s victims, not the United Nations. What an embarrassment for them.

https://open.substack.com/pub/evebarlow/p/hebrews?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=3zikd

[Richard D]

1. Netanyahu's speech

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[Frasier Balzov]

2. Everyone looks forward to an Islamic reformation

through which a Jewish controlled enclave in the bosom of the Middle East becomes not only tolerated but embraced.

[Richard D]

3. We have so much to offer. nt

[JohnSJ]

4. Is Netanyahu a hero? I think not, and his attempt to remove checks and balances was over-ruled by the Israeli Supreme

Court. Only because of the active war going on right now, the charges Netanyahu was indicted on, breach of trust, accepting bribes, and fraud, the trial is put on hold.

Going after the terrorist's of Hamas and Hezbollah does not make him a hero, it is a requirement of the prime minister to provide security and protection for the citizens of Israel.

The fact is under his governance, he allowed that situation to happen in the first place, and because of that negligence, Israel had to retaliate. It had no choice.

It took 8 hours after October 7 started, before the IDF actually came to the aid of the Israelis been tortured, raped, and killed.

I would not call that a success story of his government, and the least that he could do, because of the failure of his government to protect its citizens.

The fact that has been encouraging settlements in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip only contributed to where we are today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html

"By the end of October, it was clear that no one was going to help the villagers of Khirbet Zanuta. A tiny Palestinian community, some 150 people perched on a windswept hill in the West Bank near Hebron, it had long faced threats from the Jewish settlers who had steadily encircled it. But occasional harassment and vandalism, in the days after the Oct. 7 Hamas attack, escalated into beatings and murder threats. The villagers made appeal after appeal to the Israeli police and to the ever-present Israeli military, but their calls for protection went largely unheeded, and the attacks continued with no consequences. So one day the villagers packed what they could, loaded their families into trucks and disappeared."

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Such violence over the decades in places like Khirbet Zanuta is well documented. But protecting the people who carry out that violence is the dark secret of Israeli justice. The long arc of harassment, assault and murder of Palestinians by Jewish settlers is twinned with a shadow history, one of silence, avoidance and abetment by Israeli officials. For many of those officials, it is Palestinian terrorism that most threatens Israel. But in interviews with more than 100 people — current and former officers of the Israeli military, the National Israeli Police and the Shin Bet domestic security service; high-ranking Israeli political officials, including four former prime ministers; Palestinian leaders and activists; Israeli human rights lawyers; American officials charged with supporting the Israeli-Palestinian partnership — we found a different and perhaps even more destabilizing threat. A long history of crime without punishment, many of those officials now say, threatens not only Palestinians living in the occupied territories but also the State of Israel itself."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html

No Netanyahu is no hero.

and when you have certain member of his Netanyahu's right-wing coalition calling for the dropping of a nuclear bomb on Gaza, that is a disgrace.

[question everything]

5. He is still responsible for the Oct 7 massacre of thinking that he was handling Hamas

He is still responsible for all the dead hostages because he kept turning down ceasefire offers.

And like Trump, he was indicted on acts of corruption but has been using politics to delay his trial.

And let’s not talk about the changes in the judicial system that he promised his coalition partners in order to delay his trial. And let’s not talk about his corruption using taxpayers money to support two dwelling and to protect his sons living in Miami.

[JohnSJ]

6. No. I strong disagree with those that blame Netanyahu, Israel, etc. justifying what happened on October 7 on them.

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The only ones responsible are Hamas. No one forced them to attack, rape, terrorize, kill, and take hostages. This is all on them.

They are also responsible for the Palestinian deaths. They knew exactly what would happen when they did October 7, and in fact were counting on it. They thought it would unite Israel's enemies to attack and destroy Israel.

Another imbecilic move by the leadership of hamas, who has a history of such moves, and on October 8, with Hezbolah joining in by shooting missiles into Northern Israel, joined that stupidity.

Who in there right mind would think that what happened on Oct. 7, and the constant missiles being fired into Israel would not be met with extreme force?

Hamas' reckless STUPIDITY have destroyed any chance that this will end soon. Netanyahu was up to his neck in legal problems, and it was very likely to result in a vote of no confidence, and the leaders of Hamas knew that, but instead came up with this brillant plan to rape, torture, and kill civilians, laughing with sadistic glee during that hell, and took it upon themselves to reign that hell on Palestinians, even though they knew the retribution would be massive.

They planned on that response, and they thought that Israel's enemies would unite to destroy Israel. It didn't happen in 1967 or 1973, which were wars to destroy Israel, and other wars, where each time they lost more and more territory.

You would think they would have learned by now, and negotiate with good faith, but the corruption and history of the PLO/Arafat/Fatah stealing billions of dollars intended for the Palestinians, and the Hamas charter vowing the destruction of Israel, and the Jews. Unless they change their leadership and charter, nothing will change.

[Richard D]

8. Thank you. Nt

[question everything]

9. Israel has been in a continuous state of war for 76 years and should have never let its guard down

The Yom Kippur War brought a major investigation of bad decisions. Israelis want a similar investigation but Netanyahu et al want to wait until after the war is over.

To keep a military base empty because “it was a Holiday” was a serious mistake. There are no holidays in the military.

And the top military leaders objected to the way Netanyahu has been handling the last months in Gaza.

And a report that I read indicated that Netanyahu trip to the UN was not some kind of a “clever manipulation.”. The military was waiting for the best conditions.

It is unfortunate that you blame me for being an “apologist for Hamas.”. I thought that we were on the same side.

[JohnSJ]

10. I never called you out. If it was taken that way I apologize, and will modify the post so there won't be ambiguity.

I strongly disagree with those who blame Israel for what happened on

October 7th, instead of those who actually DID October 7, Hamas.

No one forced Hamas to attack, torture, kill and rape civilians, that is all on them.

That is parallel to blaming the woman who gets raped for not wear appropriate attire that it is her fault for getting raped

It is BS.

As for the Yom Kipper war while the surrounding enemies were poised to attack, the Nixon administration pushed Israel NOT to make a pre-emptive move against them. It was that delay that was the major problem.

In the 67 war they didn’t wait while troops were massing at their borders for them to attack, they took pre-emptive action, and were successful.

Have a good day.

[Mosby]

11. Please keep the group in mind when you are posting here.

You may not have noticed but this OP was made in the Jewish group. This is a protected group and the hosts expect posters to be respectful to each other with the understanding that we all share a love for Israel and Judaism.

We don't always agree of course, but let's all commit to attack arguments not people. Thanks.

[JohnSJ]

12. ok, understood.

[elleng]

7. Shouldn't laugh, I guess: 'demonstration of Jewish Chutzpah.'