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Related: About this forum(Jewish Group) Kissinger at 100: 'If it were not for the accident of my birth, I would be antisemitic.'
How readers may choose to commemorate the birthday of Henry Kissinger, who turns 100 on May 27, may well depend on their previous readings about the former Secretary of State and National Security adviser.
Those who appreciated Niall Fergusons hagiographical two-volume biography will applaud Kissingers role as the first Jewish secretary of state and his success in helping to achieve détente with Communist China and the Soviet Union.
By contrast, political writers Seymour Hersh and especially Christopher Hitchens have pointed to a series of alleged war crimes by Kissinger in Vietnam, Bangladesh, Chile, Cyprus and East Timor marked by decisions made with apparent blithe unconcern for human suffering and loss of life.
Law experts insist there is scant chance that Kissinger will ever be tried as a war criminal, although some of his close political associates, including the Chilean dictator General Augusto Pinochet, did undergo that experience. Kissingers policies were, after all, concocted in the White House, and the historic legal immunity of that building for myriad crimes has become familiar to Americans over the past four years.
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Sadly, I think his quote is true of too many Jews today, with some not even allowing their being Jewish to halt their anti-Semitism. Such is the power of gaslighting, privilege, and internalized anti-Semitism, and overall culture.
getagrip_already
(17,436 posts)It is rampant in all sects.
Biden isn't catholic enough. Blah, blah, blah.
My mother in law, who escaped hitlers Germany in 1937 as a young Jewish girl, describes how the most severe discrimination she felt came from upper class jaws already settled in America.
So yeah, there is nothing magical about being a member of a discriminated minority. There can always be someone who rose up, became successful, and established themselves as an asshole.
Behind the Aegis
(54,854 posts)It was more than likely class discrimination and immigrant discrimination. Her experience was similar to Jews from the Pale when they went to Germany, France, England, and Italy prior to WWII. It is also similar to the intercultural bigotry experienced by African-Americans from the South when they moved to northern cities.
With that asshole, Kissinger, I think that is more internalized anti-Semitism, and, as I said, I think there are way more than a few Jews who are anti-Semitic toward other Jews because they are Jews, and less so because of issues of immigration status and class, as was all too common in the past.
getagrip_already
(17,436 posts)But it can be a very tight knot to untangle. Is someone hateful because you are a jew, because you are the wrong kind of jew, a jew from the wrong country, of the wrong class, or with the wrong physical characteristics?
So many reasons for hate Sadly. And kissinger is just a pig with a rotten soul.
no_hypocrisy
(48,794 posts)contending Jews could be antisemitic. I dont mean the stereotypical self-hating Jew. Dad disagreed.
But he was one of them. No Jewish identity, save for an errant visit to a kosher deli.
He was allowed to join the Mecca of WASP golf clubs that had previously excluded Jews. He aligned himself with their culture. He eschewed all vestiges of Jewish culture.
I found him to be an unbearable hypocrite.
JohnSJ
(96,541 posts)mountain grammy
(27,274 posts)never said Kissinger's name without adding, "that prick."
AlGorerhythm
(52 posts)Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and he fomented violent, deadly coups resulting in barbaric dictatorships in Africa. Hank killed enough people without going after Jews...in fact he seems to have drawn the line at killing white people.