Had the opprtunity to see Nadia Bolz-Weber,

[TommyCelt]

a "somewhat un-orthodox" Lutheran pastor at a talk and book-signing for her new book SHAMELESS: A SEXUAL REFORMATION. Engaging, sacred, inclusive event! Can't wait to read the book!

I'll leave you with a quote from Nadia's 1st chapter regarding the current body of Christian sexual moral teachings, to get a flavor of this theologian's line of thought:

I'm not suggesting we ought to make a few simple amendments; new wine in old skins ain't gonna cut it. I'm saying let's burn it the fuck down and start over. Because it's time.

[guillaumeb]

1. Referring to her advice,

was she speaking of the structure, and also the hierarchy?

[TommyCelt]

2. NBW was addressing the mindset

...via canon law and/or scriptural interpretation, which IMO would include both structure and hierarchy. A fundamental shift in relation to the holiness of our bodies, our experience of gender and orientation (who is 'allowed' to preach and who is not) and pleasure with the subsequent shaming that comes with it.

Many of the audience were seminarians on the path to ordination, myself included (interfaith). Most of those were women. And there was HOLINESS and PASSION there, in abundance. What a blessed evening it was!

[guillaumeb]

3. Thank you.

The RCC still does not allow for the ordination of women. And this, in my view, is a rejection of the idea that the Creator encompasses, and must encompass, every aspect of sexuality and gender.

[efhmc]

4. As a feminist I am deeply horrified at the continue denial of women as

complete people, especially in the RCC. I still remember the day, a pastor said about changing sexist language in hymns and liturgy that it was just about anger, suggesting that it was some type of pique and not about deeply ingrained sexism. Luckily he is long gone. (To another church not from life.) Edited to add.

[guillaumeb]

5. An excellent point.

Perhaps grounded in the story of Eve as the claimed "reason" for the fall.