Pope calls abortion "white glove" equivalent of Nazi crimes

[47of74]

Ugh

Pope Francis denounced abortion on Saturday as the "white glove" equivalent of the Nazi-era eugenics program and urged families to accept the children that God gives them.

Francis spoke off-the-cuff to a meeting of an Italian family association. The Vatican didn't immediately provide a transcript of his remarks, but the ANSA news agency and the SIR agency of the Italian bishops' conference quoted him as denouncing the pre-natal tests that can result in parents choosing to terminate a pregnancy if the fetus is malformed or suffering other problems.

"Last century, the whole world was scandalized by what the Nazis did to purify the race. Today, we do the same thing but with white gloves," the agencies quoted Francis as saying.

The pope urged families to accept children "as God gives them to us."

I suppose the reich to life folks will be out momentarily to parrot what Francis said.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

1. Anyone who has never been pregnanat, anyone who cannot possibly get pregnant,

has no say in what those who do get pregnant can do with their bodies.

In other words, if you don't believe in abortion, then don't have one.

Francis's remarks show he has zero understanding of what actually goes into the decision to have an abortion.

[RoBear]

4. old bumper sticker:

IF MEN GOT PREGNANT, ABORTION WOULD BE A SACRAMENT.

[sandensea]

2. Francis' native Argentina, as it happens, is close to legalizing abortion we speak.

Their lower house passed the bill 129 to 125, though it faces an uphill battle in the senate.

Interestingly, though most of Macri's right-wing PRO voted against it, Macri, who's always been staunchly pro-life (even in cases of rape, or health risk) has himself recently come out in favor of abortion rights, and has pledged to sign the bill (he's a slippery one though, so that remains to be seen).

The bill would guarantee access to abortion on the woman's sole prerogative until the 14th week, and with physician approval afterward.

Abortion up to now in Argentina (since 1921) has been legal only in cases of rape, incest, or risk to the mother's life.

Nevertheless, anywhere from 150,000 to 400,000 abortions are performed in the country annually. Some 10,000 women a year are hospitalized as a result, and around 50 die.

I wish the Vatican would remember that.

[J_William_Ryan]

3. False comparison fallacy.

Francis’ comments fail as a false comparison fallacy; abortion and the Nazi-era eugenics program are nothing alike.

Francis is a liar and demagogue, both sins for which he should seek forgiveness – and if his act of contrition is made in good faith, sins he should seek to never commit again.

[CrispyQ]

5. What if you don't believe in God?

Dear Pope, The most important decision a woman can make isn't yours.

2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth
Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers

snip...

I. The basic argument

The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a
punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,
shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their
jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.

My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When
women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary
servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the
Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by
compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal
service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the
essence of involuntary servitude."6 Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of
equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group
which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and
not themselves.

This argument makes available two responses to the standard defense of such
prohibitions, the claim that the fetus is a person. The first is that even if this is so, its
right to the continued aid of the woman does not follow. As Judith Jarvis Thomson
observes, "having a right to life does not guarantee having either a right to be given the
use of or a right to be allowed continued use of another person's body -- even if one needs
it for life itself."7

Giving fetuses a legal right to the continued use of their mothers'
bodies would be precisely what the Thirteenth Amendment forbids. The second response
is that since abortion prohibitions infringe on the fundamental right to be free of
involuntary servitude, the burden is on the state to show that the violation of this right is
justified. Since the thesis that the fetus is, or should at least be considered, a person
seems impossible to prove (or to refute), this is a burden that the state cannot carry. If we
are not certain that the fetus is a person, then the mere possibility that it might be is not
enough to justify violating women's Thirteenth Amendment rights by forcing them to be
mothers.

[Ferrets are Cool]

6. Ya know, I've really liked "some" of the things that have come from this Pope's mouth....

but in this case, STFU.

[47of74]

8. Yeah right there with ya.

I was born and raised Catholic. I swam the Thames six years ago over to the Episcopal Church. While I like some of what Francis is doing it's not enough for me to want to come back. Get off this abortion kick and make women truly equal in the church and then we'll talk.

[Me.]

7. Boy, There Are So Many People Who Need To Shut Up These Days