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murielm99

(31,433 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:57 PM Jun 2013

My dad died this afternoon.

He was eighty-six, and in hospice care. This was expected.

I am not entirely happy with the way things have been arranged, between my mother and their pastor. I think they are rushing things, and being high-handed.

The visitation is Wednesday, and the funeral is Thursday. I can't leave until Wednesday morning, and it is a five-hour trip. We will get to the visitation as soon as we can, but we may be a bit late.

I wanted to see the funeral and visitation delayed by one day, but the pastor has "an appointment" on Friday. My parents have been extremely faithful members of this church, and he can't accommodate the family?

My oldest daughter and my daughter-in-law can't get there in time for any of it. My nephew can only make the funeral, not the visitation. The community where my parents lived for more than forty years is just far enough away that some people who still live in that area will have a hard time getting there, too.

I am not feeling good about this at all. I think my brothers and I, and our families, should have had more say in the arrangements. The whole thing is unsettling. That is all I can say to describe it.

The last time I complained to this group, I was picked apart, so I stayed away for awhile. I suppose some of you will do that again, but I can't help my queasiness about this. I don't know what is wrong, beyond the loss of my father, but something is adding to my distress.

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My dad died this afternoon. (Original Post) murielm99 Jun 2013 OP
Sorry to hear. The DU Bereavement group might be more kind. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #1
Please accept my condolences. TexasTowelie Jun 2013 #2
I'm very sorry to hear this, murielm99. elleng Jun 2013 #3
I'm sorry for your loss. kentauros Jun 2013 #4
Thank you everyone, for your kind words. murielm99 Jun 2013 #5
Sorry for your loss. Vibes to your applegrove Jun 2013 #6
i'm very sorry for your loss orleans Jun 2013 #7
I'm so sorry, muriel... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #8
I am sorry to hear of your loss. cate94 Jun 2013 #9
I'm sorry to hear of your loss. It IS very difficult to deal with onecent Jun 2013 #10
I'm very sorry for your loss. Ilsa Jun 2013 #11
I am sure this pastor will not listen to me. murielm99 Jun 2013 #12
i wouldn't bother trying to contact the pastor orleans Jun 2013 #13
No, it's okay. Ilsa Jun 2013 #19
I am sorry for your loss Ricochet21 Jun 2013 #14
Sorry that you are going through all this moonbeam23 Jun 2013 #15
Condolences on your loss LiberalEsto Jun 2013 #16
Deepest sympathies on your loss. davsand Jun 2013 #17
Hoping his passing was peaceful. southerncrone Jun 2013 #18
Sorry to hear. kimmerspixelated Jun 2013 #20
Condolences to You MagickMuffin Jun 2013 #21
My condolences Sienna86 Jun 2013 #22
I'm so sorry, Muriel. Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #23
I'm so sorry for your loss, murielm magical thyme Jun 2013 #24
Thank you. murielm99 Jun 2013 #25
I am so sorry. I hope everything works out well for your family's juajen Jun 2013 #26
I'm sorry for your loss and BlueToTheBone Jun 2013 #27
I'm sorry for your loss. BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #28
:( my belated condolences NuttyFluffers Jul 2013 #29
Thank you. n/t murielm99 Jul 2013 #30
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Sorry to hear. The DU Bereavement group might be more kind.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:01 PM
Jun 2013

Here's a link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1234

I lost my dad in Feb and mom last month, she also chose hospice and my sister kind of rushed it to my disapproval.

Take care.

TexasTowelie

(116,768 posts)
2. Please accept my condolences.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jun 2013

I went through this last year myself and my father was three weeks shy of making his 86th birthday. If their pastor couldn't cancel his arrangements then maybe he could look into making an arrangement for someone else to conduct the service. While I understand the desire to have his regular pastor there, I think the person conducting the eulogy is actually more important.

elleng

(136,055 posts)
3. I'm very sorry to hear this, murielm99.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jun 2013

I dealt with a similar event last month. My husband, estranged but we'd been in touch recently, passed on. He was in his apartment, where I found him, tho his doctor had, I learned from the medical examiner, suggested hospice. Neither I nor our daughters knew that he was terminally ill. We are still in shock.

I had to do the negotiating about where and when, with daughters and his brother who had been in touch with his siblings. From what I can tell, such issues are very common among families, logistics about where and when to do funeral-related services and who makes the decisions. I'm hoping that no one will complain about what we decided, down the road, and 'plan' to ignore such if it occurs. Its clear that no arrangement can satisfy everyone who might want to attend, so its best if we all do what we can.

It was fine visiting with friends and family, and I hope doing so helps you, finally, appreciate the services you do have.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
4. I'm sorry for your loss.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:17 PM
Jun 2013

And I'm sorry you had a bad experience before here. I don't recall that thread, or maybe I stayed away from it, but I think NYC_SKP has the right idea for posting to the Bereavement group. I still don't know what it's like to lose parents, so there remains that distance in understanding. I can only give my sincerest condolences and hope that you heal from this and whatever the stress is

murielm99

(31,433 posts)
5. Thank you everyone, for your kind words.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:38 PM
Jun 2013

They are helping me to accept this situation and get over my uneasiness. We will all get through it, and I will try to swallow my misgivings so that I do not cause anyone else any undue stress.

orleans

(34,953 posts)
7. i'm very sorry for your loss
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 01:55 AM
Jun 2013

how sad that a funeral service (and the bereaved) has to accommodate a pastor when it should be the other way around

the death of a loved one is an extremely high stressor. take it easy.

i found the bereavement group here after my mom passed and for the last few years it has been a place i have been able to express my grief and thoughts. and i have been so thankful for such a place to do that.

OneGrassRoot

(23,423 posts)
8. I'm so sorry, muriel...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 05:13 AM
Jun 2013

I'm sorry for your loss; even when expected, it's so very difficult, especially with "arrangement" complications are you're experiencing.

I'm also sorry you felt attacked here previously.

Thinking of you...




cate94

(2,888 posts)
9. I am sorry to hear of your loss.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:28 AM
Jun 2013

It is hard enough to lose a parent without the added stress of arrangements being rushed.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
10. I'm sorry to hear of your loss. It IS very difficult to deal with
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:52 AM
Jun 2013

certain family members, especially in times like this, and often wonder why it turns some people into vultures.

Of course, some things never change, there is the inheritance factor, and many other factors, but this appears to be almost
a power play to keep some of the important family members from making adequate arrangements...almost on purpose.
Yes, the pastor should be able to accommodate...and I don't know your mother, but it seems she would need these family members to lean on.

I sense your uneasiness,...and am sending you love and blessings to deal with this situation.

Hugs to you and your family!
Penny

Ilsa

(62,238 posts)
11. I'm very sorry for your loss.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:53 AM
Jun 2013

You could try calling the pastor to see if there is any way to push back the service by one day, but I doubt you'll get very far. The pastor will see you as someone without authority to make changes. You should warn him, though, of an expected sparse turnout, and you might want to have a count on how many will miss because of the quick service.

It sounds like your mother is exhausted and wants to move on, and that is why she is rushing things without consideration of other bereaved people. as sad as she must be, I suspect she is relieved that his suffering has ended, and that she's not putting her life on old any more. At least, that's what other widows have told me.

The pastor sees an involved member that is dead and gone, and a spouse who may have to limit her contributions. The rest of you are probably unimportant to him. Yeah, I don't like a lot of ministers.

Please hang in there. You might try having your own private "service" to celebrate his life and say goodbye.

murielm99

(31,433 posts)
12. I am sure this pastor will not listen to me.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:39 AM
Jun 2013

My mother has spent years poisoning everyone's mind against me and excluding me from the family. Most of the time, rather than fight publicly, I have just stayed away. I think many of my relatives see through it anyway. She is either mentally ill, or has a personality disorder.

I organized everyone in my family back in April. We went to see my dad. My husband and I brought my middle brother, who could not drive at the time. Two of my three children and my daughter-in-law were there. My dad did not recognize anyone, but we all got there to spend some time with both of them. It was the last visit. My mom shrugged it off, even though it took some work to organize. We all live some distance away, and most of us work. All she said was, "That was nice." She did not say even that much until I called her some weeks later.

Lately, she has spent some time calling everyone and praising my youngest brother to the skies, because he flew in from San Francisco and spent a couple of days there. I'm tired of hearing how wonderful he is. He has done less than anyone in the family to be helpful. Part of the reason he lives so far away is to separate himself from the sick behavior and the drama.

I did want to help in some way. She called friends and family members, but not me. In fact, I called an old friend of theirs who lives close to me. She had called him, and so had my brother. I was not included in anything, even the calling. In fact, she did not ask my husband or son directly to be pall bearers. She had my brother call me, and I asked them.

I try not to be hurt by her hateful behavior and all the lies she has told other family members about me. And I do mean hateful! She gets on the phone and tells outrageous lies about me to extended family members. I usually ignore it. I find out about it through my middle brother, because he defends me. He is more bitter and angry with her than I am. Usually, I am resigned to it. I can change me, but not her.

I'm sorry. Maybe I should not be sharing so much.

orleans

(34,953 posts)
13. i wouldn't bother trying to contact the pastor
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jun 2013

but maybe your brother could help to do something/change something?

it all sounds like it is pretty much out of your hands

Ilsa

(62,238 posts)
19. No, it's okay.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:58 PM
Jun 2013

And I know from personal experience how grief can bring out buried and residual anger from being mistreated. And sometimes parents play favorites, not realizing the bitterness and resentment they leave behind. I had a parent pass away within the last few years, leaving a mess of a sibling for the rest of us.

I think you've done just fine in honoring your parents the way others would expect. There isn't much more you can do. She may have set up the funeral this way in hopes you couldn't be there in time. That would give her reason to criticize you to others.

Good luck and safe traveling!

moonbeam23

(340 posts)
15. Sorry that you are going through all this
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jun 2013

No matter how old we are, it's always hard to lose our Daddy...

The situation with your mother sounds like some kind of negative past life karmic bond...acceptance and detachment are the only things that have worked for me personally....my mother is not as extreme as yours, but there are similiarities lol...

Good luck, and as they say "Don't let the bastards get you down!"

davsand

(13,428 posts)
17. Deepest sympathies on your loss.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:22 PM
Jun 2013

I'm sorry to hear it. Please know I'll carry you in my heart in this time of sadness.






Laura

southerncrone

(5,510 posts)
18. Hoping his passing was peaceful.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:50 PM
Jun 2013

Perhaps your mom doesn't feel like she can endure much of a to-do & wants to get the formalities over with as soon as possible. If it is just because of the pastor's schedule, then I find he is quite selfish. But then my feelings about organized religion & religious "leaders" is that they are a selfish, gold-digging lot anyway. I do hope this doesn't cause trouble within the family that remains here. I believe any negativity will only make your father's passing less peaceful. May you all try to handle this the best you can. It is never easy to say good-bye to a loved one.

MagickMuffin

(17,133 posts)
21. Condolences to You
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:53 AM
Jun 2013


I hope that everything works out for you and your family and friends. Please know that there are always Love and Light surrounding you and to make sure you wear it proudly when around negative people. Refuse to let that negative energy deflect off of you and back where it belongs. However, be sure that you deflect it with Love and Light that it will penetrate their whole being and that they will recognize it.

Best of Luck!

Sienna86

(2,151 posts)
22. My condolences
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jun 2013

Sorry to hear the visitation and funeral dates will make travel for most a challenge. Your mother sounds ill in some respect. I hope you are able to cherish all the good memories of your father.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
24. I'm so sorry for your loss, murielm
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jun 2013

I'm sorry, too, that you felt picked on in the past, although I don't remember the thread...maybe I missed it. I looked back a bit and see that you've been through quite a bit in a short time, which I'm sure is adding to your distress. I hope the visitation and funeral worked out ok for all...

murielm99

(31,433 posts)
25. Thank you.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:01 AM
Jun 2013

Things worked out. The funeral is over.

I think it may take awhile for the death of a parent to sink in, no matter what our age. I am not sure I comprehend this yet.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
26. I am so sorry. I hope everything works out well for your family's
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:25 AM
Jun 2013

visitation. A family death is sad enough, without issues pertaining to people being able to get there. I believe they should have been more flexible. Perhaps this will work out. Bless you and yours.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
27. I'm sorry for your loss and
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 07:39 PM
Jun 2013

I have big hugs for you No matter what happens this whole time will seem surreal (because it is) May your father find peace and may you have peace.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
28. I'm sorry for your loss.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:21 AM
Jul 2013

I know what it means to be grieving and not being able to make arrangements that you think appropriate. My mother's funeral was at some ungodly hour of the morning because "prior engagements".

You can request a different minister and demand the time be changed. You do have that much power, but it is so hard to voice your needs in this type of situation. I wish you peace. This is your family's funeral and you can demand that the time be changed.

Om Mani Padme Hum

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
29. :( my belated condolences
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 08:47 PM
Jul 2013

been away. so sorry to hear.

it's sad when circumstances seem to conspire and rob us of precious together time. it's hard to understand why, and perhaps there never will be a real reason.

i had to console friends who desperately try to be present for the dying breath that we will never know the hour or the day when our loved ones pass. but this seems so... temporal, easily within human power to change. your unease seems right in my eyes.

but can anything be done? will raising hell be the better solution? or perhaps a private after ceremony where the whole family can be together? i cannot answer that.

however, if you can imagine your father suffused in light and love, wanting to bring peace to those loved ones he's now physically separated, what solution and words of comfort would he give at this situation? let him speak into your heart the right response to this.

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