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alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:04 PM Apr 2021

I see posts from ppl that HATE 45

You can almost feel the hate thru the keyboard. I wish we could find a way to make them understand that they should pity him instead. Hate is a very powerful emotion. Those that hate him are giving away their energy to an energy vampire.

Pity is what I feel for him. I may detest his actions, but he is such a deeply damaged soul that I cannot help but pity him. Very few souls on this planet are as deeply damaged as his. I cannot walk in his footsteps - and would not want to if I could - but I guarantee his childhood was hellish. Then he was given $$$.

Perfect storm for a Dark Triad.

Hate is one of the strongest emotions we feel as humans - if it is directed to an individual that energy goes FROM you TO them. Energy vampires FEED on energy - positive is best, but negative is fine too.

Pity is what I feel. A small man, always knowing he is inferior (likely due to childhood hell). A pathetic man that has a NEED to TAKE from others because he is so empty inside.

45 reminds me of a racoon I saw on the road that had been hit by a car. It was still kinda moving, so I threw a coat over it and got it off the road. It was fighting to get out of the coat. Once a few yards from the road I lifted the jacket - it hissed at me. It looked OK except for a limping back paw.

As it walked/limped away it turned 3-5 times to hiss at me.

The racoon is not human, it could not understand that I was trying to help. That was likely Trumputins childhood in a nutshell. Enough parental damage creates a sociopath.

Pity TAKES energy from the energy vampire.
HATE fuels him.

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I see posts from ppl that HATE 45 (Original Post) alittlelark Apr 2021 OP
I am sorry, but in no way, no shape, nothing on earth can make me just 'pity' the man... SWBTATTReg Apr 2021 #1
He does not behave as a Homo sapien sapien would. alittlelark Apr 2021 #3
I've said my piece. And I respect yours a lot too. He had amply opportunities to rise above SWBTATTReg Apr 2021 #21
Sociology is VERY sadly ignored alittlelark Apr 2021 #25
Hate takes too much energy. Ocelot II Apr 2021 #2
He does not understand JOY alittlelark Apr 2021 #5
I disagree. Hating him feels okay. LakeArenal Apr 2021 #30
Find a way to shift that energy alittlelark Apr 2021 #31
Okay I'm going to stop now because I don't expend any energy on trump. LakeArenal Apr 2021 #38
It's a difficult thing to control Rorey Apr 2021 #4
I fully understand alittlelark Apr 2021 #6
OK. I'll modify my previous position. I will piss on him if he catches fire. Midnight Writer Apr 2021 #7
Turn your hate to pity and u will kill him alittlelark Apr 2021 #9
I STILL can't eat mushrooms Rorey Apr 2021 #11
Gonna b honest and say I dont like mushroom either alittlelark Apr 2021 #28
I used to love them Rorey Apr 2021 #33
He is a dogshit basket of damaged goods alittlelark Apr 2021 #13
He reminds me so much of my father. LiberalLoner Apr 2021 #8
I have the same relationship w/ my mother alittlelark Apr 2021 #10
I knew it!! LakeArenal Apr 2021 #24
I'm so sorry. You totally aren't possessed by demons though, I can tell. 😍🌹 LiberalLoner Apr 2021 #27
I have a mother like that, too. murielm99 May 2021 #50
"Remember others may hate you, but they don't win until you hate them Walleye Apr 2021 #12
I had never heard that until now alittlelark Apr 2021 #15
That last speech to his staff was profound. He showed his heart for the first time Walleye Apr 2021 #17
Hate has a purpose I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2021 #14
The Power of the emotion is what I am addressing alittlelark Apr 2021 #19
I have said that I HATE him for BigmanPigman Apr 2021 #16
I do know hate. I have felt it so strongly that I had to disconnect from the world alittlelark Apr 2021 #20
You mean this creepy asshole? Blue Owl Apr 2021 #18
Yes. Pity his soul alittlelark Apr 2021 #23
No pity for him. Depraved destroyer of everything. LakeArenal Apr 2021 #22
Do not give him energy with HATE alittlelark Apr 2021 #26
I used to think that. But he's an exception. LakeArenal Apr 2021 #29
i Think that is how he WINS alittlelark Apr 2021 #32
Now that's it. You mean I am ignoring reality. LakeArenal Apr 2021 #39
Interesting discussion. Totally agree that many ignored Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #40
Your OP inspired me to put some effort into getting past my lingering hate Rorey Apr 2021 #34
Recovery from narcissistic abuse can take a lifetime. alittlelark Apr 2021 #35
I've been studying narcissism a lot Rorey Apr 2021 #36
My guess is u r an HSP alittlelark Apr 2021 #42
I'm not sure about that Rorey Apr 2021 #43
HSP's r not overly sensitive alittlelark Apr 2021 #44
I'd like to think I'm normal Rorey Apr 2021 #45
If U feel DEEPLY - it sux alittlelark Apr 2021 #46
Nope. It ain't working. Patterson Apr 2021 #37
LOL !! I understand fully ! I keep trying though alittlelark Apr 2021 #41
What does 45 think of me? pwb Apr 2021 #47
U r the shit he stepped in on the golf course alittlelark Apr 2021 #48
OMG Jjust reslized I am replying to myself alittlelark Apr 2021 #49

SWBTATTReg

(24,031 posts)
1. I am sorry, but in no way, no shape, nothing on earth can make me just 'pity' the man...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:14 PM
Apr 2021

He's lied and cheated his way through his term as president (30,000+ at least), moaned about not making any money while in office but in fact, made over $1.6 billion dollars according to some estimates. The biggest thing is directing his thugs to overthrow the US Govt and prevent them from certifying the results of the Nov. 2020 elections (in front of the WH, he directed them to Capital Hill

No rest, no peace, nothing for traitors of this great Country of ours.

P.S. I understand where you are coming from, but this thug deliberately in many ways stifled the rights of many Americans, shut down DACC throwing a whole bunch of kids in limbo land, discontinued government support of a lot of government services for the disadvantaged of our Country, mocked the disabled, questioned our vets as to why in the hell were they serving our Country, etc.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
3. He does not behave as a Homo sapien sapien would.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:24 PM
Apr 2021

He is so damaged that he is barely recognizable as 'human'. My childhood kinda sucked, but nothing even close to as bad as his was.

He is as damaging a human being as has ever walked the earth, but he was CREATED to be this pestilence by BAD, Negative, Shaming parenting. We did not have a village in place to raise that child.

SWBTATTReg

(24,031 posts)
21. I've said my piece. And I respect yours a lot too. He had amply opportunities to rise above
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:43 PM
Apr 2021

his bringing up by his parents. He didn't.

Ocelot II

(120,601 posts)
2. Hate takes too much energy.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:18 PM
Apr 2021

I have been disgusted by Trump, but hate is exhausting and poisoning. I do pity him in a way, though, because his life must really suck despite all his wealth and influence.

This is a man who seems to have no joy in his life. His only pleasure, if you can even call it that, comes from putting down anyone who opposes him, which his father apparently taught him is winning - and losing is completely unthinkable. He doesn't seem to enjoy music or art; he doesn't go to plays or concerts; he doesn't appreciate nature; he doesn't even like pets; he doesn't read anything but news items about himself; he has no real friends, just toadies and hangers-on; his wife doesn't seem to especially like him and all of his wives have been nothing but arm-candy for him (and he cheated on all of them); his relationships with his oldest children are weird, to say the least, and he seems to have none at all with the youngest; he has no hobbies other than golf, at which he cheats because he always has to win; and he's so absurdly vain that he is said to need two hours to do his hair and makeup. Everything is superficial. He has to have the biggest, the best, the most expensive, the most ostentatious because he needs everyone to know that he's rich. His NYC apartment looks like Versailles redecorated by Saddam Hussein's pimp. He spends every waking hour fretting about the possibility that someone else might be richer, more powerful, more appreciated, more valued, and it drives him crazy.

I can't imagine a more miserable existence. He's a pathetic, wretched specimen, and so even though he has been an appallingly destructive force, I have to pity him at least a little, if only in the Buddhist sense of feeling compassion for all sentient beings. How sad it must be to live in a constant state of rage and envy. I wouldn't trade my life for his for anything.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
5. He does not understand JOY
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:35 PM
Apr 2021

He is constantly entrenched in ME ME ME ME and cannot see the world around him - like sooooo many others, but he is in a position to do REAL damage,

LakeArenal

(29,767 posts)
30. I disagree. Hating him feels okay.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:41 PM
Apr 2021

I’m not poisoned. It takes less energy than a thought since it’s so visceral.

See him hate him.

Out of sight out of mind.

LakeArenal

(29,767 posts)
38. Okay I'm going to stop now because I don't expend any energy on trump.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:24 PM
Apr 2021

You seem to think hate is hot.

Not necessarily; it can be stone cold.

I don’t agree with you but I’m expending too much energy.

Have your own good day.

Rorey

(8,513 posts)
4. It's a difficult thing to control
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:31 PM
Apr 2021

I don't want to hate anyone, but there are a few people whom I really do intensely hate. I do wish I could find a way to get over that hate.

As for trump, I don't have such strong emotions about him now that he is no longer President. I agree that he's pathetic. I kinda just wish he'd drop dead so we could stop thinking about him. That might sound mean, but I'm just being honest.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
6. I fully understand
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:39 PM
Apr 2021

There are a few ppl who have been so damaging to my life that I actively try to learn to forgive. I am not fully there yet, but each day seems to help.

Midnight Writer

(22,944 posts)
7. OK. I'll modify my previous position. I will piss on him if he catches fire.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:43 PM
Apr 2021

I know lots of people with hellish childhoods who turned away from a negative path.

He had scads of opportunities. He could have grown into a better person. He chose not to.

He could have strived to be a good father and husband. He chose not to.

He could have decided to run an ethical business. He chose not to.

He could have used his power as President to make life better for hundreds of millions of people. He chose not to.

Instead, he lied, cheated, stole, assaulted women, alienated the friends of our country while bolstering our enemies, and his willful neglect cost hundreds of thousands of Americans their lives, more than any American war.

He was entrusted with a position of honor and power, and exploited it for selfish reasons. He broke his oath and betrayed our country.

He hates dogs.

I could go on and on, but you're right. Hate is negative, and I don't invite it into my life. But for a guy who is weakened by pity, he sure does beg for it. Incessantly. I would argue that pity does feed an energy vampire.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
9. Turn your hate to pity and u will kill him
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:52 PM
Apr 2021

Look at him as the tiny mushroom penis pathetic creature that he is.

Yeah, daddy gave him LOTSA $$$$$$$$$. He lost it all cuz he's an IDIOT a true IDIOT.


Idiots can have good lives - just look to AL, LO, AK. You just can't ask them to 'THINK' and they'll b fine

Rorey

(8,513 posts)
11. I STILL can't eat mushrooms
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:59 PM
Apr 2021

Thanks to Stormy Daniels for that description.

I think that nobody really hates trump as much as he hates himself, deep down. I just can't imagine living a life where nothing is ever "enough". I feel that he's a person who can never be truly satisfied. That must feel so awful.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
28. Gonna b honest and say I dont like mushroom either
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:15 PM
Apr 2021

wish I did cuz they r healthy and all - but the texture..............

Rorey

(8,513 posts)
33. I used to love them
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:40 PM
Apr 2021

Cooked, not raw.

My son is just like you. He absolutely can't stand them in any form.

Honestly, though, when you think about how they grow and what they are, it's sort of odd that we consider them a food.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
13. He is a dogshit basket of damaged goods
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:06 PM
Apr 2021

If u go to the farmers market r u gonna buy a basket of dogshit? What if they had flags on each basket of dogshit.

Realistically I would stop asking about baskets or the shit inside them and ask

HOW CAN WE MAKE OUR COUNTRY FUNCTIONAL

LiberalLoner

(10,094 posts)
8. He reminds me so much of my father.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:44 PM
Apr 2021

I used to fear my father. Now I pity him and stay as far away as I can. People wonder why I’m not closer to my father, but they don’t know or care about all the abuse and about how much damage my siblings and I sustained.

I don’t hate him. I feel sorry for him because he lives in a very dark and joyless world. So does Trump.

But I feel so much better not having Trump in my life anymore. Or the other person.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
10. I have the same relationship w/ my mother
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:56 PM
Apr 2021

I feel sorry for her after what I have learned, but she still thinks 45 is the lamb of God and that vaccines are the work of the devil,


Oh, and the GOOD one - I am possessed by demons.

murielm99

(31,414 posts)
50. I have a mother like that, too.
Thu May 6, 2021, 08:56 PM
May 2021

My middle brother actually calls her "Trump."

All three of her children have been broken by her, to one degree or another.

I don't feel sorry for my mother. I avoid her.

Walleye

(35,186 posts)
12. "Remember others may hate you, but they don't win until you hate them
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:00 PM
Apr 2021

Because then you destroy yourself”. Richard Nixon in his farewell speech to his staff.
I always thought, well he ought to know

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,906 posts)
14. Hate has a purpose
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:14 PM
Apr 2021

Or nature would have deselected it .

Hate is a protective emotion .

It has a reason and function.

It has a social protective function. When that hate is aimed at a genuine threat to you or others social well being.

I hate without shame, I express hate in a sane way and hate until I don't need to hate anymore. It works it's way out of my system it cleanses me. When I am done hating I don't hate the person's who abused or injured me anymore. Because I was honest about how I felt about them with myself and didn't guilt myself tell myself I was evil for feeling it or pretend I didn't feel what I felt.

I don't believe in karma and I don't think the universe gives a shit what happens in the chaos that exists on this planet.

But evolution exists,apparently and if hate was as awful as you claim it would have been deselected if it interfered with our survival.

Hate of a race or other abstract thing or whatever else impersonal that hasn't abused you caused you crisis or killed someone you love is toxic hate.

That kind of hate is irrational ,that kind hate can do harm if it's socially reinforced.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
19. The Power of the emotion is what I am addressing
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:29 PM
Apr 2021

If u want to give your personal power to negative energy that is your choice,.

BigmanPigman

(52,216 posts)
16. I have said that I HATE him for
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:22 PM
Apr 2021

as long as I can remember. My neighbor is like you and can't "hate". I think that my hate is actually good for me mentally and emotionally. It allows me to vent my frustrations and direct them where appropriate, which I do. If I didn't "hate" outwardly as much as I freely do I would have all that anger bottled up inside and it would be negative to my body and mind. It is a release. I hate other drivers when they cut me off. I hate Fux Ruse for a zillion things. I swear at them and I do it when I am by myself so others don't even need to experience it. It is a release and good for me to let loose. I don't have a gun, I don't have Fakebook and Twitter. I have the privacy of my home and car where I say Fuck You to the people and things I hate and the fucking moron is on top of my list.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
20. I do know hate. I have felt it so strongly that I had to disconnect from the world
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:37 PM
Apr 2021

It became so all encompassing that it sucked my world into a hideous matrix.

Then I started to get better - not fully , but working on it.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
23. Yes. Pity his soul
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:46 PM
Apr 2021

Which, if existant, is going to be forced to PAY.

Not sure if I believe in anything - but 45's soul suffering is a given

LakeArenal

(29,767 posts)
29. I used to think that. But he's an exception.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:38 PM
Apr 2021

An exception to the rule.

Dump is totally unaware and uncaring of what any person like me cares about or thinks.

So I’m on that we can agree, it’s a useless emotion.

However, I’m no religious person. I think I get think what I want. I’m not gonna curse him nor endanger him in anyway. But I can sure say I hate him and I don’t think Karma can begrudge me that.

LakeArenal

(29,767 posts)
39. Now that's it. You mean I am ignoring reality.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:28 PM
Apr 2021

Why do you think your reality is anyone else’s?

Reality is just your opinion. Trump hasn’t won shit. If YOUR reality thinks so then I don’t think your reality is worth a hill of beans.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
40. Interesting discussion. Totally agree that many ignored
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 08:44 AM
Apr 2021

the reality of the depths of evil he was capable of doing. He literally admitted on tape to Woodward that he purposely did not warn the public about covid. Hundreds of thousands of human beings died early on because of his actions. Children are separated from their parents because of him.

Not sure how whether you pity or hate him or both has any affect on these truths? Nor how me personally hating him gives him any power. Maryanne's book that describes in detail the cold way he was raised led to absolutely zero change in his behavior.

Do you think maybe hatred toward someone you don't even know personally is different than toward someone you do? Hard to even imagine knowing anyone like him personally, huh.

Rorey

(8,513 posts)
34. Your OP inspired me to put some effort into getting past my lingering hate
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:13 PM
Apr 2021

I've actually been doing a lot better lately, and have stopped ruminating, but I want to get to a point where I really don't think at all about the objects of my disdain.

A couple of the tools that I've been using for the last couple of years to deal with the betrayal that triggered my hate are journaling and a zillion helpful videos on that one video site. This afternoon, since you first posted this, I checked out a couple of "how to stop hating someone" videos, and, as usual, they helped.

So thank you for giving me a little nudge with your post. I had sort of been taking a break from healing from my hate, and it's time to finish my recovery.



Rorey

(8,513 posts)
36. I've been studying narcissism a lot
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:41 PM
Apr 2021

I didn't even know what it was until a couple of years ago. The experts tell us regular people that we're not supposed to diagnose, but I don't think anyone can argue against the conclusion that trump is a narcissist. My ex-husband is also a textbook example. I'm just so relieved to have him out of my life.

I can't even imagine the difficulty of growing up with a narcissistic parent, but I have to say, you sound amazingly strong now. I think the best thing that any of us can do for ourselves is to decide that we're no longer going to be their victim.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
42. My guess is u r an HSP
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 07:01 PM
Apr 2021

It is a hard road to travel. Spend some time googling HSP's.

We likely will not see u much on DU for awhile. But it will be for the BEST.

Focus. Ignore the outside world. The pain is Reality.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
41. LOL !! I understand fully ! I keep trying though
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:48 PM
Apr 2021

cuz hate begets hate. I keep envisioning him as a psychotically mistreated child to evolve the hate I feel.

alittlelark

(18,912 posts)
48. U r the shit he stepped in on the golf course
Sun Apr 25, 2021, 07:27 PM
Apr 2021

And I GUARANTEE that he will sue 4 it.

Are u in the right place at the right time??

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